My estimation of dates for G hg


Posts: 143
Joined: Sun Mar 18, 2012 6:26 pm
Location: Paris region
YDNA:
G2a2b2a1b1a2a-CT4803
MtDNA:
H2a2a1 (rCRS)
PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 7:51 pm
From the experimental tree by Ray Banks, I counted the number of mutations for each node for my haplogroup
https://sites.google.com/site/haplogrou ... tal-g-tree

After several trials, I find the best hypothesis is to take 1 mutation every 120 years plus an estimation of 25 unknown mutations at the end of the tree (3000years)

unknown mutations_________25______25______3,000 BP Late Age of Bronze
G-CTS4803________________23______48______5,760 BP Late Neolithic
G-Z726____________________6______54______6,500 BP Middle Neolithic - Climatic Optimum - Probably come into Central Europe with the Danubian Linear culture during the Old Neolithic around 7500 BP .
G_Z725___________________64_____118_____14,160 BP Late Upper Paleoeolitic - Bolling warm oscillation (14,650-14,000 BP)
G-CTS4737_________________1_____119______14,280 BP
G2a2b1a1b-L497____________5_____124______14,880 BP end of cold phase Oldest Dryas 18,000-14650 BP with better conditions. Probably in Bolling phase, the L497 branch went into North Balkans/Moldavia from Colchis in Georgia, a probable glacial refugia for some branches of G haplogroup, Some elements remain in Low Danube and Moldavia nowadays. Present highest frequencies (> 15%) in some small valleys of Austrian Tyrol (one valley with 40% population of the population). Dispersion, mainly to Italy, Switzerland, South Germany.
G2a2b1a1-L140____________16_____140 _____16,800BP cold Oldest Dryas - Colchis.
G2a2b1a-P303_____________72_____212______25,440 BP Last Glacial Maximum - Colchis.
G2a2b1-L141______________17_____229______27,480 BP Tursac Intesrstade- Gravettian in Europe
G2a2b-L30________________51_____280______33,600 BP Arcy interstade - beginning of Gravettian in Western and CentralEurope coming from Russia/Ukrainia.
G2a2-PF3146______________23_____303______36,360 BP Cottes interstade after the first cataclysmic explosion of Phlegraean Fields (Near Naples-Italy 39300 BP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phlegraean_Fields ) - Aurignacian in Europe and Near East, Early Gravettian in Russia.
G2a-P15__________________45_____348______41,760 BP the Hengelo interstade. Expansion of Modern Humans in South Europe - Proto-Aurignacian in Europe, Baradostian in Middle East, Ahmarian in Near East and also, transition industries between Middle Paleolithic and Upper Paleolithic (Neanderthals or Modern Human or hybrids ?).
G2-P297_________________101_____449______53800 BP after the end of Pleniglacial and at the beginning of a warmer interstade. Emirian and Modern Humans in Near East.
G-M201__________________284_____733______87960 BP Separation of the branch G from macrohaplogroup F before warmer phase MIS 5a ("Odderade" 87,000-74,000 BP when the branches I, J, K, LT and MNOPS diverged from FxG ) and phase MIS 4 the first Pleniclacial (74,000-59,000BP). The date correspondis to the birth of the Mt macrohaplogroups M and N.

These datations could correspond to an 'Out of Africa' during the very warm and very wet Eemian (phase MIS 5e 130,000-120,000 BP) and an 'Out of Arabia' towards South and South-East Asia at the beginning of the warm and wet Odderade about 87,000 BP.

For European and neighbouring regions see the chart of the temperature fluctuations with the GRIP (Greenland ice) chart of
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... sotope.png

Posts: 143
Joined: Sun Mar 18, 2012 6:26 pm
Location: Paris region
YDNA:
G2a2b2a1b1a2a-CT4803
MtDNA:
H2a2a1 (rCRS)
PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:17 am
Finally I wish to do a new triall with a new hypothesis which is to take 1 mutation every 115 years plus an estimation of 35 unknown mutations at the end of the tree (4400years)

unknown mutations_________35______35______4,025 BP beginning of Age of Bronze
G-CTS4803________________23______58______6,670 BP Old Neolithic
G-Z726____________________6______64______7,360 BP beginning of Neolithic in Central/West Europe - Climatic Optimum - Probably come into Central Europe with the Danubian Linear culture around 7500 BP .
G_Z725___________________64_____128_____14,720 BP Late Upper Paleoeolitic - Bolling warm oscillation (14,650-14,000 BP)
G-CTS4737_________________1_____129_____14,835 BP
G2a2b1a1b-L497____________5_____134______15410 BP end of cold phase Oldest Dryas 18,000-14650 BP with better conditions. Probably in Bolling phase, the L497 branch went into North Balkans/Moldavia from Colchis in Georgia, a probable glacial refugia for some branches of G haplogroup, Some elements remain in Low Danube and Moldavia nowadays. Present highest frequencies (> 15%) in some small valleys of Austrian Tyrol (one valley with 40% population of the population). Dispersion, mainly to Italy, Switzerland, South Germany.
G2a2b1a1-L140____________16_____150 _____17,250BP cold Oldest Dryas - Colchis.
G2a2b1a-P303_____________72_____222______25,530 BP Last Glacial Maximum in second pleniglacial - Colchis.
G2a2b1-L141______________17_____239______27,480 BP Tursac interstade- Gravettian in Europe
G2a2b-L30________________51_____290______33,350 BP Arcy interstade - beginning of Gravettian in Western and Central Europe coming from Russia/Ukrainia.
G2a2-PF3146______________23_____313______34,980 BP Cottes interstade after the first cataclysmic explosion of Phlegraean Fields (Near Naples-Italy 39300 BP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phlegraean_Fields ) - Aurignacian in Europe and Near East, Early Gravettian in Russia.
G2a-P15__________________45_____358______41,170 BP Hengelo interstade. First expansion of Modern Humans through South Europe (probably by haplogroup I).
G2-P297_________________101_____459______52785 BP after the end of Pleniglacial and at the beginning of a warmer interstade. Emirian culture and Modern Humans back in Near East.
G-M201__________________284_____743______85445 BP Separation of the branch G from macrohaplogroup F at the beginning of the warmer phase MIS 5a ("Odderade" 86,000-74,000 BP when the branches I, J, K, LT and MNOPS diverged from FxG ) and phase MIS 4 the first Pleniglacial (74,000-59,000BP). The date corresponds to the birth of the Mt macrohaplogroups M and N.

These datations could correspond to an 'Out of Africa' during the very warm and very wet Eemian (phase MIS 5e 130,000-120,000 BP) and an 'Out of Arabia' towards South and South-East Asia at the beginning of the warm and wet Odderade about 87,000 BP.

Posts: 143
Joined: Sun Mar 18, 2012 6:26 pm
Location: Paris region
YDNA:
G2a2b2a1b1a2a-CT4803
MtDNA:
H2a2a1 (rCRS)
PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:28 pm
In progress, to complete


I take the experimental tree of the haplogroup G maintained by Ray Banks,and I do the calculation with the same hypotheses of the other haplogroupes: 1 mutation every 115 years + 35 recent private mutations.

Branch G1

1- G-M201_______________296_____________496____________57,040BP
2- G1-M69/Page45_________96_____________200____________23,000BP
3- G1a-L1324______________4______________44____________5,060BP
4- G1a1-L201____________3+35_____________38_____________4370
4- G1a2-L1323___________1+35_____________36_____________4140
3-G1b-L830_____________5+35_____________40_____________4600


Branch G2

1- G-M201_______________296_____________
2- G2-P287______________100_____________
3- G2a-P15_______________69
4- G2a1-L293____________108______________251__________28,865BP
5- G2a1a-P16_____________76______________143__________16,445BP
6_ G2a1a1-Z6638__________28______________77____________8,855BP
7- G2a1a1a-Z7940__________9______________49____________5,635BP
8- G-Z7941______________5+35_____________40____________4,600BP
8- G-Z7946______________5+35
7- G-Z7951______________5+35
6- G-Z6641______________5+35_
User avatar
Posts: 541
Joined: Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:19 am
PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:12 pm
As per rootsi

L497 was created in the tyrol ( most likely the raetic people) and currently has over 80% of the area for the G marker. It spread to north italy, moldovia etc from the alps.

L91 stated in the same paper ( otzi marker) is less than 4% even though its older

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 7313001361

Return to G Haplogroup (Y-DNA)

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests

cron