Ötzi's descendants


Posts: 2348
Joined: Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:08 am
Location: Pisa (Italy)
YDNA:
R- Z2110 (KV7Y2)
MtDNA:
K1a1b1e/HQ176413
PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:12 am
Where are the descendants of Ötzi now? We know they are above all in Corsica and North Sardinia, but, as this haplotype is very characteristic, we can follow where they expanded in these last 5000 years from Italy, and they may be also the witness of other haplogroups which from Italy expanded to Western Europe and in these last 500 years also to America.



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1 of 100 Northern Sardinia, Italy [Italian] Eurasian - European - Western European Europe

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2 of 288 Nicaragua [Mestizo] Admixed Latin America

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1 of 738 Cologne, Germany [German] Eurasian - European - Western European Europe
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1 of 384 Ravenna, Italy [Italian] Eurasian - European - Western European Europe

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1 of 68 Illinois, United States [Hispanic American] Admixed North America
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1 of 427 Córdoba, Argentina [European] Eurasian - European Latin America


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Everyone may enjoy himself by YHRD. For me everything was clear also before.

Posts: 2348
Joined: Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:08 am
Location: Pisa (Italy)
YDNA:
R- Z2110 (KV7Y2)
MtDNA:
K1a1b1e/HQ176413
PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:26 am
Even more characteristic is this haplotype with DYS438 fractionated: 11.2. But it seems that this mutation is recent and restricted to Italy.


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1 of 427 Córdoba, Argentina [European] Eurasian - European Latin America
1 of 100 Northern Sardinia, Italy [Italian] Eurasian - European - Western European Europe

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2 of 100 Northern Sardinia, Italy [Italian] Eurasian - European - Western European Europe

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1 of 47 Udine, Italy [Italian] Eurasian - European - Western European Europe
1 of 1122 Stuttgart, Germany [German] Eurasian - European - Western European Europe
1 of 100 Northern Sardinia, Italy [Italian] Eurasian - European - Western European Europe
1 of 58 Kabardino-Balkaria, Russian Federation [Kabardin] Eurasian - Caucasian Asia
1 of 130 Modena, Italy [Italian] Eurasian - European - Western European Europe
1 of 62 Caracas, Venezuela [Mestizo] Admixed Latin America

Who will be the Kabardin? Probably one who has nothing to do with this haplotype.
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1 of 509 Stuttgart, Germany [German] Eurasian - European - Western European Europe
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1 of 130 Modena, Italy [Italian] Eurasian - European - Western European Europe
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1 of 100 Northern Sardinia, Italy [Italian] Eurasian - European - Western European Europe
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1 of 47 Udine, Italy [Italian] Eurasian - European - Western European Europe
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1 of 62 Caracas, Venezuela [Mestizo] Admixed Latin America

Then the Kabardin is this
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and probably doesn’t belong either to this haplogroup.

Posts: 2348
Joined: Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:08 am
Location: Pisa (Italy)
YDNA:
R- Z2110 (KV7Y2)
MtDNA:
K1a1b1e/HQ176413
PostPosted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:36 am
DYS438=11.2 is extremely rare. Only another occurrence in YHRD, and it is hg. R1b. Another on SMGF, not identified:

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1 of 100 Northern Sardinia, Italy [Italian] Eurasian - European - Western European Europe
1 of 136 Andalucía/Extremadura, Spain [Spanish] Eurasian - European - Western European Europe

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