New U152+ Z56+ Sub-branch


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Joined: Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:08 am
Location: Pisa (Italy)
YDNA:
R- Z2110 (KV7Y2)
MtDNA:
K1a1b1e/HQ176413
PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 6:51 am
Richard Rocca publishes this post on Anthrogenica:

"Courtesy of Big-Y results, kit no. 42240, MDKA Nicolas Rebel, b1713, Alsace, is now part of a new sub-branch two levels down from Z56 based on the 9029206(G/A) mutation. Interestingly enough, the kit that is one branch/level higher is from Spain and the one that is one branch/level below is the L4+ (Wulf Blankenfeld, b.1835 Latvia) sub-clade made up primarily of Ashkenazi Jews. Here is the tree:
Z56.png"

Unfortunately I cannot see the tree, but I may add what Rocca doesn't say, that the Jewish cluster is very likely introgressed from Iberia (or from Italy or the Rhine Valley) and perhaps the Iberian cluster derives from Italy, being R-Z56 probably born there, and also this is one of numerous cases I spoke about in the past: only one recent Jewish cluster introgressed in Europe after the diaspora.

Posts: 2348
Joined: Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:08 am
Location: Pisa (Italy)
YDNA:
R- Z2110 (KV7Y2)
MtDNA:
K1a1b1e/HQ176413
PostPosted: Thu Jul 03, 2014 8:32 am
So far, when we found an haplotype in common between Jews (Sephardi or Ashkenazi ones) and Iberians or Latin Americans, the common thinking was that these last were of Jewish origin, cripto-Jews, converted etc. A few, except me, thought the other way around. This happened for R-V88, R-L389, and so on: the more the haplogroup was old in the tree the more it was retained true. But of course this wasn't true. About this haplogroup R-U152/L4 we can see that the Jewish cluster introgressed from Iberia. Next tests will say if that Iberian haplotype came from Italy or from German people:

42240 Nicolas Rebel, b1713, Alsace, d1777 Philadelphia France R-U152
13 24 14 11 12-14 12 12 11 14 13 30 17 9-10 11 11 24 15 19 28 15-15-17-17 11 11 19-23 15 15 18 17 36-38 12 12 11 5 15-16 8 10 11 8 10 10 12 23-24 17 10 12 12 15 8 12 22 20 13 11 11 13 11 11 14 12 36 15 9 16 12 26 26 19 12 11 14 12 10 9 12 12 10 11 11 30 13 13 24 13 10 10 20 15 20 14 24 16 12 15 24 12 23 18 10 14 17 9 12 12
83685 Joannis Fritsch b.1738, Baden, Germany Germany R-U152
13 24 15 10 12-12 12 12 12 13 13 29 18 9-10 11 11 25 15 19 30 15-17-17-17 11 12 19-23 15 15 18 17 37-37 12 12 11 9 15-16 8 10 11 8 10 11 12 23-24 16 10 12 12 14 8 13 22 20 13 12 11 13 11 11 14 12 36 15 9 16 13 26 26 19 12 11 13 12 10 9 12 12 10 11 11 30 12 13 25 13 10 9 20 15 15 14 23 17 12 15 24 12 23 18 10 14 18 9 13 11
338 Wulf Blankenfeld, b.1835 Latvia, d. 1928 Latvia Latvia R-L4
13 24 14 11 14-14 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9-10 11 12 24 15 19 28 15-16-17-17 13 12 19-23 15 15 19 20 35-36 13 12 11 9 15-16 8 10 10 8 10 11 12 23-24 17 10 12 12 15 8 13 22 20 12 12 11 13 11 11 14 12 39 15 9 16 12 26 26 20 12 11 12 13 10 9 12 12 10 11 11 30 12 13 24 13 10 9 23 15 18 14 24 18 12 15 23 12 23 19 10 14 17 9 13 13
217503 Gregorio González, Santa Cruz Lachixolana, Mexico Spain R-L4
13 24 14 11 14-14 12 12 13 13 13 29 17 9-10 11 12 25 15 19 28 15-17-17-17 12 11 19-23 15 15 17 19 36-36 14 12 11 9 15-16 8 10 11 8 10 11 12 23-24 16 10 12 12 14 8 13 22 20 12 12 11 13 11 11 14 12 37 15 9 16 12 27 26 19 12 11 12 12 11 9 12 12 10 11 11 30 12 13 24 13 6 9 24 15 18 14 24 17 12 15 24 12 23 18 10 14 17 9 14 11

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