Unusual I haplotype from Iran


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T2
PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:51 am
Just noticed in the I2*(I2c) project a new member from Iran, who is still unassigned.
Running the sequence through several predictors, they are contradictory, some show I2* of some kind, some 100% I2a.
258916 baghian Iran I 11 23 16 10 12-14 11 13 11 15 11 31 20 8-9 11 11 24 16 20 25 11-14-15-15 10 10 19-21 13 13 18 22 33-34 11 10

The arguable occurrence of I2a among Kurds and possibly Iranians is very intriguing as some old studies showed a large percent among Kurds, which did not eventuate in any commercial tests until now.
At least the Eupedia shows a big blob of I2a in Eastern Anatolia.

Any comments, is this person going to be SNP tested further?

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:34 pm
His nearest neighbors (GD of 14 on 37 markers) are

RF57E of Greece: http://www.ysearch.org/search_view.asp? ... =RF57E&p=1
W3VXK of Scotland: http://www.ysearch.org/search_view.asp? ... =W3VXK&p=1

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YDNA:
J-L556
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H5c2
PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:57 pm
N53720 - I2b (L415+, L416+, L417+) from Italy is closer, with GD of 11 steps. Moreover, most of the difference (9 steps) come from 7 fast mutating markers.
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Location: Brazil
YDNA:
J1b M365+ J1a ISOGG
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H1ao1
PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:58 am
Remember that IJ was found in Iran so the "unusual" I haplotype from Iran can be relatively close to the same original I location for 20000 years.
Y DNA - Barcelos - Minho - Portugal. Colonial Brazil
MtDNA - Ilha Terceira, Azores, Portugal
Brazilian Portuguese Founding People
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/m365/
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Brasil/
http://j1bm365.blogspot.com.br/

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PostPosted: Wed May 29, 2013 7:01 pm
I thought all the I in Iran and Kurdistan was ultimatley Armenian or Greek.

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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 9:38 am
newtoboard wrote:I thought all the I in Iran and Kurdistan was ultimatley Armenian or Greek.


Interesting, the Iranian I was categorized as I2b in the I2* project. His closest matches seem to be Italian.
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/I2nosubcladeM170P215/default.aspx?section=yresults

A Bulgarian Turk has tested as I2a2 Isles, however it is hard to tell if he is Crusader descendant or a colonist from Eastern Anatolia, where an Iraqi Kurd was found I2a2 Isles.

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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 2:51 pm
eastara wrote:A Bulgarian Turk has tested as I2a2 Isles, however it is hard to tell if he is Crusader descendant or a colonist from Eastern Anatolia, where an Iraqi Kurd was found I2a2 Isles.


Galatian Celt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galatia

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 7:31 pm
The Iraqi Kurd likely has European admixture not vice versa. I seriously doubt I2a Isles originated in Eastern Anatolia.

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R1a1a1b2a1
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H15a1
PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:04 am
eastara wrote:
newtoboard wrote:I thought all the I in Iran and Kurdistan was ultimatley Armenian or Greek.


Interesting, the Iranian I was categorized as I2b in the I2* project. His closest matches seem to be Italian.
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/I2nosubcladeM170P215/default.aspx?section=yresults

A Bulgarian Turk has tested as I2a2 Isles, however it is hard to tell if he is Crusader descendant or a colonist from Eastern Anatolia, where an Iraqi Kurd was found I2a2 Isles.


The Iraqi Kurd is I2a2a* (old I2b1*; Z161+, L1228-, L1229-, L1230-, L1226-, L699-, L701-, L702-, L703-, L704-, M379-, Z78-, P95-), which is the root of Continental M223 branch.
http://kurdishdna.blogspot.com/2012/08/ ... nd-in.html
Updated M223 tree:
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/m22 ... on=results
Maybe you are mixing up M423 and M223?

His 111STR values are:
14 23 14 10 15 15 11 13 11 14 12 31 16 8 9 11 11 24 14 20 28 14-14-14-14-15-15 11 10 19 21 15 14 17 18 37 38 12 10 11 8 16 16 8 11 10 8 10 9 12 21 22 16 11 12 12 15 9 13 24 20 11 13 12 12 11 12 12 11 30 13 8 15 11 24 27 16 12 11 13 11 12 9 12 11 10 11 12 31 10 12 22 13 11 10 19 15 20 9 23 14 12 13 27 12 22 19 13 15 17 9 12 11

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 9:28 pm
Palisto wrote:
eastara wrote:
newtoboard wrote:I thought all the I in Iran and Kurdistan was ultimatley Armenian or Greek.


Interesting, the Iranian I was categorized as I2b in the I2* project. His closest matches seem to be Italian.
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/I2nosubcladeM170P215/default.aspx?section=yresults

A Bulgarian Turk has tested as I2a2 Isles, however it is hard to tell if he is Crusader descendant or a colonist from Eastern Anatolia, where an Iraqi Kurd was found I2a2 Isles.


The Iraqi Kurd is I2a2a* (old I2b1*; Z161+, L1228-, L1229-, L1230-, L1226-, L699-, L701-, L702-, L703-, L704-, M379-, Z78-, P95-), which is the root of Continental M223 branch.
http://kurdishdna.blogspot.com/2012/08/ ... nd-in.html
Updated M223 tree:
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/m22 ... on=results
Maybe you are mixing up M423 and M223?

His 111STR values are:
14 23 14 10 15 15 11 13 11 14 12 31 16 8 9 11 11 24 14 20 28 14-14-14-14-15-15 11 10 19 21 15 14 17 18 37 38 12 10 11 8 16 16 8 11 10 8 10 9 12 21 22 16 11 12 12 15 9 13 24 20 11 13 12 12 11 12 12 11 30 13 8 15 11 24 27 16 12 11 13 11 12 9 12 11 10 11 12 31 10 12 22 13 11 10 19 15 20 9 23 14 12 13 27 12 22 19 13 15 17 9 12 11


Do you this lineage originated in West Asia and if not how do you think it entered the kurdish gene pool?
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