U5a1b4 or U5a1b (T16362C)?


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Location: England
YDNA:
I1*
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U5a1b4
PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 2:26 pm
Hi there,
I was just using James Lick's great tool (http://dna.jameslick.com/mthap/) again nd it appears i have two possible groups at first place, although both are imperfect matches due to extra mutations.
First of all here are the markers found for my mt-dna (i put in bold two in question):

HVR2: 73G 263G
CR: 750G 1438G 2706G 3197C 4769G 7028T 8860G 9477A 9667G 11467G 11719A 12308G 12331G 12372A 13617C 14766T 14793G 15218G 15326G
HVR1: 16256T 16270T 16362C 16399G

One of my top matches is U5a1b (T16362C) which i match completely apart from an additional marker in the CR which is 12331G.
My other top joint match is U5a1b4 which i match completely apart from an additional marker in HVR1 which is 16362C.

Now i looked on the U5 project results page and found a U5a1b4 group which included 3 individuals, two of which also have the 16362C marker.

I suppose my question is, given that (presumably) these three also have 12331G to put them into U5a1b4, and two have 16362C and so are even closer to me, whether i should now classify myself U5a1b4, or remain U5a1b(T16362C)?

It is also interesting to note that the two that are closest to me are from England and Ireland respectively, while my mothers direct (maternal) lineage is also from England.

I would also like to join the project too but haven't tested at FTDNA yet, might have to wait a year or two. But i guess there's another unofficial member of U5a1b4 now?

I would really appreciate the clarification, thanks!

Kind Regards,
Sam Jackson

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:36 am
Jackson - the mutation 12331G means that you are in U5a1b4. There are several people in U5a1b2, U5a1b3 and U5a1b4 who also have 16362 but this seems to be an unstable mutation for people in these groups. Are you already in the U5 project, or did you test at 23andme?

Gail

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Joined: Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:31 pm
Location: England
YDNA:
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:15 am
GailT wrote:Jackson - the mutation 12331G means that you are in U5a1b4. There are several people in U5a1b2, U5a1b3 and U5a1b4 who also have 16362 but this seems to be an unstable mutation for people in these groups. Are you already in the U5 project, or did you test at 23andme?

Gail


Ok - Thanks a lot for clearing that up. I'm afraid i'm not in the project as i did test at 23&me - I'm going to test at FTDNA within the next year or two probably although it's unlikely to be sooner than that. I suspect i'm not much use outside the project, but as far as i know this lineage comes from Kent, England back to the 17th century.

Cheers,
Sam Jackson

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