Sicilian predicted N1c1


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 1:26 pm
I've tested to 37 markers and have been predicted as N1c1. My great grandfather came from Sciara, Sicily in 1925 to the US. I understand this is very, very rare considering my markers indicate I am not from either the Spanish branch or the Finland branch (looks like the Baltics instead).

Other than false test results, false paternity, adoption, etc. I'm curious if anyone might know of a possible historical connection that might explain my results. Also, what course of action I should take going further to help me solve this mystery.

Thanks.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:45 am
matd wrote:I've tested to 37 markers and have been predicted as N1c1. My great grandfather came from Sciara, Sicily in 1925 to the US. I understand this is very, very rare considering my markers indicate I am not from either the Spanish branch or the Finland branch (looks like the Baltics instead).

Other than false test results, false paternity, adoption, etc. I'm curious if anyone might know of a possible historical connection that might explain my results. Also, what course of action I should take going further to help me solve this mystery.

Thanks.

Oh! A very interesting story.
But Sicily had been a Norman Kingdom for a long time.
I think your parents came to Sicily from some Scandinavian ship.

It would be interesting to look at your haplotype.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:00 pm
mouglley wrote:I think your parents came to Sicily from some Scandinavian ship.

But he belongs to the South Baltic ("Neuri") branch, N-L1025.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:41 am
My FTDNA kit number is 282865.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 6:31 am
lgmayka wrote:
mouglley wrote:I think your parents came to Sicily from some Scandinavian ship.

But he belongs to the South Baltic ("Neuri") branch, N-L1025.

How about people such as Jomsvikings, a multiethnic entity of mercenaries?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jomsborg

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 28, 2013 1:06 pm
Something else I have considered is if perhaps my ancestors might have been part of the amber trade from the Baltics through to Italy and Sicily.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_road
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:09 pm
matd wrote:Something else I have considered is if perhaps my ancestors might have been part of the amber trade from the Baltics through to Italy and Sicily.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_road

Please make Family Finder test, as well. May be it will shed the light on your origin :)
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 5:13 am
Very interesting case. Which are the closest matches? In North Eurasian N database you are connected to two Ukrainians by DYS464 = 15 15 15 15. But no subgroup in the possible L591 group can reliably be reconstructed, as there are no distinctive mutations in slow enough markers. But at the moment this Ukrainian connection seems possible. Time-depth to the one Ukrainian with 67 markers is 11/67, giving 88 generations with the mutation rate by Rozhanskii & Klyosov 2011 - this means clearly over 2000 years! (Unless much closer matches can be presented.)
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 5:59 am
lgmayka wrote:
mouglley wrote:I think your parents came to Sicily from some Scandinavian ship.

But he belongs to the South Baltic ("Neuri") branch, N-L1025.


1 - someone on this forum posted those N1c1 markers in bosnia and croatia......easy jump to Italy.

But I think it was viking slavers took finns and latvians to norway and denmark and later when these Vikings invaded Normandy and became Normans, then they eventually conquered Sicily
Fathers mtdna - T2b17 ...back to 1860 Bucciol line
Grandfathers mtdna - T1a1e ...back to 1820 Mestriner line
Sons Mtdna - K1a4 ....back to 1840 Tesser line
Maternal grandfather ydna - Ild-P109
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 02, 2014 6:05 am
matd wrote:Something else I have considered is if perhaps my ancestors might have been part of the amber trade from the Baltics through to Italy and Sicily.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_road


If it was this we would have N1c1 in egypt.

Amber trade was basically, N and I in the baltic , then because it was a relay system of trade it ended as I and G in the alps, and then I, G and J in the adriatic, it was then sold to Phoenicians to take to alexandria. I doubt very much, that a trader would walk from Latvia to Rome to trade amber
Fathers mtdna - T2b17 ...back to 1860 Bucciol line
Grandfathers mtdna - T1a1e ...back to 1820 Mestriner line
Sons Mtdna - K1a4 ....back to 1840 Tesser line
Maternal grandfather ydna - Ild-P109
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