New SNPs for N1


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 5:33 pm
lgmayka wrote:Kit N15634, who belongs to the rare European N1-P189.2 clade, has received and transferred his Geno 2.0 results.

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/pol ... ction=ysnp

Can someone with a spreadsheet figure out whether he has any new SNPs?



There's a significant number of SNPs he seems to be ancestral for in the CTS and F series that the rest of us (ca. 15 other Geno results) have derived values for.

This is what I spotted (the SNPs all the others have vs. N15634)
CTS10064, CTS10336,CTS10889, CTS11448, CTS11612, CTS11710, CTS11941, CTS1678, CTS3103, CTS4286, CTS439, CTS5221, CTS5631, CTS6069,
CTS622, CTS6336, CTS6967, CTS6991, CTS7728, CTS8346

F1206, F1427, F1941, F2049, F2130, F2156, F2420, F2552, F2567, F2584, F2598, F2996, F3002, F3094, F3117, F3312, F3331, F3354, F3436, F3485, F3573, F3606, F3823, F4115, F4218, F4325, F4342, F963.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:07 pm
I made this post on the Geno 2.0 thread some time ago.

On the subject of guessing games I made some back tracking of the CTS-SNPs on ymap and came up with this tree:

0 M526
1 CTS5858
1a CTS10117 (568 813 1653 2652 2947 3734 7433 8687 9983)
1a1 CTS10907 (11448 11710)
1a1a CTS2262 (5223 6380)
1a1a1 CTS11023 (1350 2172 3882 4653 8410 11713 12029)
1a1b CTS10064 (439 622 1678 5631 6069 6336 6991 7404 7728 8346 10889 11941)
1a1b1 CTS10336 (3103 4286 6967 11612)

Level 0 is K(xLT), level 1 is NO and level 1a1b1 is L1026. The rest has to be guessed.
1a is most likely approx N and 1a1 is approx N1.
1a1a could be the split of point for N1a and N1b and 1a1a1 is maybe Chinese N1*.
1a1b is interesting, possibly it is on the same level as M178 N1c1.


Note: The 9983 should be read as 8893. :oops: And, yes I was wrong about 1a1 being N1.

N15634 has all SNPs up to level 1a, but does not belong to either of the two branches, an ancient split off in other words. Another interesting thing is that N15634 does not seems to be derived for L735, which was found in the only N1* WTY of N25315. Everyone else is L735+.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 10:45 pm
The first Geno result for a N1b (159174 Setälä) is now up.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:13 am
Stenhög wrote:Another interesting thing is that N15634 does not seems to be derived for L735, which was found in the only N1* WTY of N25315. Everyone else is L735+.

N15634 is also not derived for PAGES00056. Kit 224763 (in the same N1-L732 clade as N25315) is PAGES00056+ , as are members of the usual N1-L729.

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/pol ... ction=ysnp

http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpN.html

So are you all telling me that N15634 does not have a single new SNP to call his own (i.e., a SNP that might define the N1-P189.2 clade, beyond P189.2 itself which Thomas Krahn may just discount as "appearing in multiple haplogroups")?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:15 pm
lgmayka wrote:
Stenhög wrote:Another interesting thing is that N15634 does not seems to be derived for L735, which was found in the only N1* WTY of N25315. Everyone else is L735+.

N15634 is also not derived for PAGES00056. Kit 224763 (in the same N1-L732 clade as N25315) is PAGES00056+ , as are members of the usual N1-L729.

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/pol ... ction=ysnp

http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpN.html

So are you all telling me that N15634 does not have a single new SNP to call his own (i.e., a SNP that might define the N1-P189.2 clade, beyond P189.2 itself which Thomas Krahn may just discount as "appearing in multiple haplogroups")?


Well he is listed as CTS7095+ too.

He need to have his raw data analyzed, but I don´t need to tell you the drill.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 8:57 pm
Stenhög wrote:Well he is listed as CTS7095+ too.

Unfortunately, CTS7095 has been found in E1b1a just as P189 has:

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/E1b ... ction=ysnp (4 cases)
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/mar ... ction=ysnp

and in R1b1a2 as well:

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1b ... ction=ysnp
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