Can someone pls explain the L550 branches on the tree?

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:27 pm
I just got my BigY results (BAM files not currently available), and FTDNA has me as N-Y7795. Based on STRs, I've always been placed among the Rurikids. (I am L550+ and L1025-).
Looking at the tree (viewtopic.php?f=18&t=230&start=70), I'm realizing that while Y7795 is placed in the North Balts sector above the L550 node, that the main branch of North Balts is the L1025 branch.
I'm hoping someone can explain to me what results led to placing Y7795 among North Balts, separated from the rest of L550 which are Rurikids??

Thanks!
Dwight Holmes (was Erichson)
mtDNA: L1b1a8
HVR1: 16126C, 16187T, 16189C, 16223T, 16264T, 16278T, 16293G, 16311C, 16519C, HVR2: 73G, 152C, 182T, 185T, 195C, 247A, 263G, 315.1C, 357G, 522-, 523-
yDNA N-Y7795 [was N-L550; was N1c1d*] Y7795+ L729+ M178+ L550+ L1025- L1027- P298^ P67- P21- P119-
FTDNA N90103 ySearch 7UXV6
Gedmatch M185645 FN90103 GEDCOM ID#5180497
Maternal side y-DNA R1a1a FTDNA 217168 ySearch UVEVE
Family Tree: http://tinyurl.com/Holmes-Seymour

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:39 pm
dwight wrote:Based on STRs, I've always been placed among the Rurikids.

Dwight, it's not the case.
ParaRurikids-Y4338 have:
dys485 = 16
dys714 = 24
dys505 = 12
ParaRurikids-Y4339 have in addition:
dyf395s1 = 15-18
dys481 = 21
dys461 = 11
Rurikids-Y10931 have in addition:
dys413 = 20-22
dys452 = 32
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:47 pm
OK, very interesting. Thank you! I guess I'll just wait (very patiently :roll: ) for FTDNA to begin releasing BAM files again....

Mukovnikov wrote:
dwight wrote:Based on STRs, I've always been placed among the Rurikids.

Dwight, it's not the case.
ParaRurikids-Y4338 have:
dys485 = 16
dys714 = 24
dys505 = 12
ParaRurikids-Y4339 have in addition:
dyf395s1 = 15-18
dys481 = 21
dys461 = 11
Rurikids-Y10931 have in addition:
dys413 = 20-22
dys452 = 32
Dwight Holmes (was Erichson)
mtDNA: L1b1a8
HVR1: 16126C, 16187T, 16189C, 16223T, 16264T, 16278T, 16293G, 16311C, 16519C, HVR2: 73G, 152C, 182T, 185T, 195C, 247A, 263G, 315.1C, 357G, 522-, 523-
yDNA N-Y7795 [was N-L550; was N1c1d*] Y7795+ L729+ M178+ L550+ L1025- L1027- P298^ P67- P21- P119-
FTDNA N90103 ySearch 7UXV6
Gedmatch M185645 FN90103 GEDCOM ID#5180497
Maternal side y-DNA R1a1a FTDNA 217168 ySearch UVEVE
Family Tree: http://tinyurl.com/Holmes-Seymour
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YDNA:
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L1b1a8
PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 3:56 pm
Thanks, again. I went back to the N1c1 FTDNA Project Page and see that we are grouped there as "N1c1 - Scandinavian II" and there are currently six of us with Y7795 that show there along with twelve Y4338/4339s. So I guess what we're doing is figuring out how to further break down Scandinavian II into different groups.

Mukovnikov wrote:
dwight wrote:Based on STRs, I've always been placed among the Rurikids.

Dwight, it's not the case.
ParaRurikids-Y4338 have:
dys485 = 16
dys714 = 24
dys505 = 12
ParaRurikids-Y4339 have in addition:
dyf395s1 = 15-18
dys481 = 21
dys461 = 11
Rurikids-Y10931 have in addition:
dys413 = 20-22
dys452 = 32
Dwight Holmes (was Erichson)
mtDNA: L1b1a8
HVR1: 16126C, 16187T, 16189C, 16223T, 16264T, 16278T, 16293G, 16311C, 16519C, HVR2: 73G, 152C, 182T, 185T, 195C, 247A, 263G, 315.1C, 357G, 522-, 523-
yDNA N-Y7795 [was N-L550; was N1c1d*] Y7795+ L729+ M178+ L550+ L1025- L1027- P298^ P67- P21- P119-
FTDNA N90103 ySearch 7UXV6
Gedmatch M185645 FN90103 GEDCOM ID#5180497
Maternal side y-DNA R1a1a FTDNA 217168 ySearch UVEVE
Family Tree: http://tinyurl.com/Holmes-Seymour

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 4:33 pm
dwight wrote:Thanks, again. I went back to the N1c1 FTDNA Project Page and see that we are grouped there as "N1c1 - Scandinavian II" and there are currently six of us with Y7795 that show there along with twelve Y4338/4339s. So I guess what we're doing is figuring out how to further break down Scandinavian II into different groups.

I recommend N North Eurasian project in this respect.

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/n% ... n=yresults
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:01 pm
And it's easy to see why!
N1c1 -7560- Scandinavian-Russian Branch L550+ Y7795+
(I'm noting that all of us in this subgroup have known Scandinavian origins - none with Russian origins (yet?))

Mukovnikov wrote:
dwight wrote:Thanks, again. I went back to the N1c1 FTDNA Project Page and see that we are grouped there as "N1c1 - Scandinavian II" and there are currently six of us with Y7795 that show there along with twelve Y4338/4339s. So I guess what we're doing is figuring out how to further break down Scandinavian II into different groups.

I recommend N North Eurasian project in this respect.

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/n% ... n=yresults
Dwight Holmes (was Erichson)
mtDNA: L1b1a8
HVR1: 16126C, 16187T, 16189C, 16223T, 16264T, 16278T, 16293G, 16311C, 16519C, HVR2: 73G, 152C, 182T, 185T, 195C, 247A, 263G, 315.1C, 357G, 522-, 523-
yDNA N-Y7795 [was N-L550; was N1c1d*] Y7795+ L729+ M178+ L550+ L1025- L1027- P298^ P67- P21- P119-
FTDNA N90103 ySearch 7UXV6
Gedmatch M185645 FN90103 GEDCOM ID#5180497
Maternal side y-DNA R1a1a FTDNA 217168 ySearch UVEVE
Family Tree: http://tinyurl.com/Holmes-Seymour

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 5:08 pm
dwight wrote:And it's easy to see why!
N1c1 -7560- Scandinavian-Russian Branch L550+ Y7795+
(I'm noting that all of us in this subgroup have known Scandinavian origins - none with Russian origins (yet?))

This term (Scandinavian-Russian) was given to subclade N-L550 by Vladimir Volkov. I don't consider this term is best.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:01 pm
Mukovnikov wrote:
dwight wrote:And it's easy to see why!
N1c1 -7560- Scandinavian-Russian Branch L550+ Y7795+
(I'm noting that all of us in this subgroup have known Scandinavian origins - none with Russian origins (yet?))

This term (Scandinavian-Russian) was given to subclade N-L550 by Vladimir Volkov. I don't consider this term is best.


I realized just my self some years ago, that the name is probably associated with the Varangians activity between Scandinavia and Russian,
like from Birka to Russian riversides, of course a both of direction but in different time levels from Bronze Age, Roman, Migration, pre and Viking
Age, Medieval periods etc. I feel, that still have different ideas about the area in which the L550+ and L1025+ have been born...? Discourse occurs
like Russian White Lake, some where around Baltic Sea, around Gulf of Finland, or maybe Lithuania or Poland.. Maybe could only talk about numbers
with out any complicate associations...?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 11:25 pm
Aha! Maybe this is the source of my confusion. I had thought that the Varangians and Rurikids were overlapping - that the Rurikids were in fact Varangians. Looking at Wikipedia (I realize this information could well be incorrect!). I see that in fact, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangians the Varangians were employed by the Rus (it says "According to the 12th century Kievan Primary Chronicle, a group of Varangians known as the Rus'[7] settled in Novgorod in 862 under the leadership of Rurik. Before Rurik, the Rus' might have ruled an earlier hypothetical polity. Rurik's relative Oleg conquered Kiev in 882 and established the state of Kievan Rus', which was later ruled by Rurik's descendants.)"

So much to learn :D

wejoja wrote:
Mukovnikov wrote:
dwight wrote:And it's easy to see why!
N1c1 -7560- Scandinavian-Russian Branch L550+ Y7795+
(I'm noting that all of us in this subgroup have known Scandinavian origins - none with Russian origins (yet?))

This term (Scandinavian-Russian) was given to subclade N-L550 by Vladimir Volkov. I don't consider this term is best.


I realized just my self some years ago, that the name is probably associated with the Varangians activity between Scandinavia and Russian,
like from Birka to Russian riversides, of course a both of direction but in different time levels from Bronze Age, Roman, Migration, pre and Viking
Age, Medieval periods etc. I feel, that still have different ideas about the area in which the L550+ and L1025+ have been born...? Discourse occurs
like Russian White Lake, some where around Baltic Sea, around Gulf of Finland, or maybe Lithuania or Poland.. Maybe could only talk about numbers
with out any complicate associations...?
Dwight Holmes (was Erichson)
mtDNA: L1b1a8
HVR1: 16126C, 16187T, 16189C, 16223T, 16264T, 16278T, 16293G, 16311C, 16519C, HVR2: 73G, 152C, 182T, 185T, 195C, 247A, 263G, 315.1C, 357G, 522-, 523-
yDNA N-Y7795 [was N-L550; was N1c1d*] Y7795+ L729+ M178+ L550+ L1025- L1027- P298^ P67- P21- P119-
FTDNA N90103 ySearch 7UXV6
Gedmatch M185645 FN90103 GEDCOM ID#5180497
Maternal side y-DNA R1a1a FTDNA 217168 ySearch UVEVE
Family Tree: http://tinyurl.com/Holmes-Seymour

Posts: 129
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Location: Russia
YDNA:
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 5:18 am
wejoja wrote:Maybe could only talk about numbers
with out any complicate associations...?

It would be optimal decision in this case.
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