Varangian with DYS393=24?


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:34 pm
Mouglley - I'm pleased I finally tracked you down after DNA-Forum closed down! As usual I have many questions.

In your semargl.me tables of N1c1 haplotypes you have me listed as Varangian, as you have always done. I noticed however that of the 80 Varangians you have listed I'm the only one with DYS393=24. I know that my DYS437=15 is almost a "private" mutation, do you think 393=24 is also semi-private?

So far I have only taken the L550+ deep clad test, which additional test would you recommend to try to definitely get the correct sub group? I also have a problem trying to locate my correct branch on the N-tree posted by Vladimir Volkov. My DYS442=15 does not seem to fit.

Finally congratulations on a very well organised website.

Svein
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Y-DNA: Hg N1c1a1a1a N3115 / SW7S9
mtDNA: Hg J1c2f

Paternal and maternal ancestors all Norwegians, 9 and 6 generations respectively.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 3:22 pm
Hi Sven,

Glad to read your post.
Since the time of a dna-foruns.org was closed a wonderful SNP was discoverd for us, L550+.
It's L1025.

It's positive for every Neuri.
As you know Varangian branch isn't a branch it's several different branches.

It's negative for some Varangians (79197, 204528), but it's positive for other Varangians (71583).

So it can divide L550+ in two parts.

So it can be interesting for every Varangian.

After we have the value for every L550+ branch, I think we can go on with our STR dividing of branches.
Y-DNA: N1с1d*; P188-; M178+; P298+; P21-; P67-; P119-; L248+(23andMe); L248-(FamilyTreeDNA); L550+; L1025+
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 4:14 pm
Thank you mouglley.

L1025 ordered. I'll post the result when available.
Y-DNA: Hg N1c1a1a1a N3115 / SW7S9
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Paternal and maternal ancestors all Norwegians, 9 and 6 generations respectively.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:27 pm
mouglley wrote:As you know Varangian branch isn't a branch it's several different branches.

It's negative for some Varangians (79197, 204528), but it's positive for other Varangians (71583).

So it can divide L550+ in two parts.



This was very interesting to me, so I went looking for the three haplotypes (I am waiting for my L1025 result). I found the first two, and they seem to be at the opposite end of the Scandinavian II (Varangian) listing from me. But I don't see 71583 in either the N Y-DNA Project or the N1c1 Y-DNA Project... So I went to http://www.semargl.me and looked him up there. First thing I noticed was he's listed as "Neuri" there, not Varangian. Next thing I noticed is, I appear to be one of his closest matches in that database - but still distant at GD=13. But I am listed as "N1c1(L708+;L1026+;L550+;L1025-) Varangian" which is interesting since I have not tested for L1026 and haven't yet received results for L1025! Are these predictions? Thanks!!
Dwight Holmes (was Erichson)
mtDNA: L1b1a8
HVR1: 16126C, 16187T, 16189C, 16223T, 16264T, 16278T, 16293G, 16311C, 16519C, HVR2: 73G, 152C, 182T, 185T, 195C, 247A, 263G, 315.1C, 357G, 522-, 523-
yDNA N-Y7795 [was N-L550; was N1c1d*] Y7795+ L729+ M178+ L550+ L1025- L1027- P298^ P67- P21- P119-
FTDNA N90103 ySearch 7UXV6
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:18 pm
dwight wrote:But I don't see 71583 in either the N Y-DNA Project or the N1c1 Y-DNA Project... So I went to http://www.semargl.me and looked him up there. First thing I noticed was he's listed as "Neuri" there, not Varangian.

He was in the Varangian group.
It's me who moved him to the Neuri group when he got his L1025+.
dwight wrote:But I am listed as "N1c1(L708+;L1026+;L550+;L1025-) Varangian" which is interesting since I have not tested for L1026 and haven't yet received results for L1025! Are these predictions?

Yes it's a prediction only.
Just every European N1c1 is L1026+, but the Volga region inhabitants.
But of course everyone who want to find out every interesting about his haplotype will order this test.

L1025- is a prediction too. But your group is called "L1025 must be tested".
It's serious. I'm not fully aware about L1025 value for participants of this group.
It's not like in the first case. Every Varangian branch must be tested for L1025 value.

By the way one of the Varangian group ordered his WTY.
Let's hope for new SNPs for your group of L550+.
Y-DNA: N1с1d*; P188-; M178+; P298+; P21-; P67-; P119-; L248+(23andMe); L248-(FamilyTreeDNA); L550+; L1025+
YSearch: KABEC
FamilyTree: 106620
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 3:53 pm
mouglley wrote:By the way one of the Varangian group ordered his WTY.
Let's hope for new SNPs for your group of L550+.


That is excellent news!
Dwight Holmes (was Erichson)
mtDNA: L1b1a8
HVR1: 16126C, 16187T, 16189C, 16223T, 16264T, 16278T, 16293G, 16311C, 16519C, HVR2: 73G, 152C, 182T, 185T, 195C, 247A, 263G, 315.1C, 357G, 522-, 523-
yDNA N-Y7795 [was N-L550; was N1c1d*] Y7795+ L729+ M178+ L550+ L1025- L1027- P298^ P67- P21- P119-
FTDNA N90103 ySearch 7UXV6
Gedmatch M185645 FN90103 GEDCOM ID#5180497
Maternal side y-DNA R1a1a FTDNA 217168 ySearch UVEVE
Family Tree: http://tinyurl.com/Holmes-Seymour
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 22, 2012 9:36 pm
Any update on our L550+ WTY? Thanks!

dwight wrote:
mouglley wrote:By the way one of the Varangian group ordered his WTY.
Let's hope for new SNPs for your group of L550+.


That is excellent news!
Dwight Holmes (was Erichson)
mtDNA: L1b1a8
HVR1: 16126C, 16187T, 16189C, 16223T, 16264T, 16278T, 16293G, 16311C, 16519C, HVR2: 73G, 152C, 182T, 185T, 195C, 247A, 263G, 315.1C, 357G, 522-, 523-
yDNA N-Y7795 [was N-L550; was N1c1d*] Y7795+ L729+ M178+ L550+ L1025- L1027- P298^ P67- P21- P119-
FTDNA N90103 ySearch 7UXV6
Gedmatch M185645 FN90103 GEDCOM ID#5180497
Maternal side y-DNA R1a1a FTDNA 217168 ySearch UVEVE
Family Tree: http://tinyurl.com/Holmes-Seymour
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 4:00 pm
I realize a couple of years have passed, but may as well add that I did test L1025- (also L1027-), as well as L550+.
Dwight Holmes (was Erichson)
mtDNA: L1b1a8
HVR1: 16126C, 16187T, 16189C, 16223T, 16264T, 16278T, 16293G, 16311C, 16519C, HVR2: 73G, 152C, 182T, 185T, 195C, 247A, 263G, 315.1C, 357G, 522-, 523-
yDNA N-Y7795 [was N-L550; was N1c1d*] Y7795+ L729+ M178+ L550+ L1025- L1027- P298^ P67- P21- P119-
FTDNA N90103 ySearch 7UXV6
Gedmatch M185645 FN90103 GEDCOM ID#5180497
Maternal side y-DNA R1a1a FTDNA 217168 ySearch UVEVE
Family Tree: http://tinyurl.com/Holmes-Seymour
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 2:01 am
Hello dwight,

So you're L550 as you can see you have a few way to turn, have you thought about do the N-SNP test at FTDNA it on sale at the moment and if you get a discount coupon as well you could get the test done fore less than $100, the test is designed to work our your terminal SNP as would put you on the right branch of the tree. :D
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 5:13 am
Thank you, Sasha. Yes, I saw that, but my question is, is that N SNP pack really useful to me? or would it be better to take the 3 SNPs that FTDNA is suggesting for me: Y4338, Y7795, Y9454? The price would be approximately the same for the SNP pack and the 3 SNPs. (I asked this earlier in a separate, new thread :D )

Looking at the chart more carefully, I see that Y4338 (and 4339) are below L550 in the Rurikid branch while the Y9454 is above it in the Fenno-Scandian area. (I haven't located Y7795 on there yet - is it there???)
Dwight Holmes (was Erichson)
mtDNA: L1b1a8
HVR1: 16126C, 16187T, 16189C, 16223T, 16264T, 16278T, 16293G, 16311C, 16519C, HVR2: 73G, 152C, 182T, 185T, 195C, 247A, 263G, 315.1C, 357G, 522-, 523-
yDNA N-Y7795 [was N-L550; was N1c1d*] Y7795+ L729+ M178+ L550+ L1025- L1027- P298^ P67- P21- P119-
FTDNA N90103 ySearch 7UXV6
Gedmatch M185645 FN90103 GEDCOM ID#5180497
Maternal side y-DNA R1a1a FTDNA 217168 ySearch UVEVE
Family Tree: http://tinyurl.com/Holmes-Seymour
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