Phylogenetic tree of haplogroup N

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YDNA:
N1c1d(L550)
MtDNA:
J1c3
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:52 am
The tree of 1077 haplotypes with 67 markers.
Participants:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?hl=en&hl=en&key=tZMv2oDOwe9DLCYJ7JnnbGA&authkey=CJ6nyuwP#gid=2

Mutation rates 0,00319/generation/marker.

The age: 10000-11000 лет.

I tried to recover the haplotype of our general ancestor Nanc:
DYS 393 DYS 390 DYS 19/394 DYS 391 DYS 385a DYS 385b DYS 426 DYS 388 DYS 439 DYS 389-1 DYS 392 DYS 389-2 DYS 458 DYS 459a DYS 459b DYS 455 DYS 454 DYS 447 DYS 437 DYS 448 DYS 449 DYS 464a DYS 464b DYS 464c DYS 464d DYS 460 GATA H4 YCA IIa YCA IIb DYS 456 DYS 607 DYS 576 DYS 570 CDY a CDY b DYS 442 DYS 438 DYS 531 DYS 578 DYS 395S1a DYS 395S1b DYS 590 DYS 537 DYS 641 DYS 472 DYS 406S1 DYS 511 DYS 425 DYS 413a DYS 413b DYS 557 DYS 594 DYS 436 DYS 490 DYS 534 DYS 450 DYS 444 DYS 481 DYS 520 DYS 446 DYS 617 DYS 568 DYS 487 DYS 572 DYS 640 DYS 492 DYS 565

13,23,14,10,11,14,11,12,11,13,14,30,18,9,9,11,11,26,14,19,29,13,13,14,14,11,11,18,19,15,14,18,18,36,37,12,10,11,8,15,17,8,11,10,8,11,10,12,21,21,14,10,12,12,16,7,13,23,21,14,12,11,10,11,11,12,11
Ysearch is SZKKX

People, which haplotypes are on the tree (free to change):

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?hl=en&hl=en&key=tZMv2oDOwe9DLCYJ7JnnbGA&authkey=CJ6nyuwP#gid=0

Murka phylogenetic software counted 1077 haplotypes N1 (size 4X3.0 Mb):
Snps, that were used for the counting of the tree: L58, L149.2, L392, L550, L551, L591, L665, L708, L727, L728, L730, L731, L732, L733, L839, L1022, L1025, L1026, L1027, M178, P43, P189, TAT
The tree:
Preview:

Image

The fullsize tree:
Part 1:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/71ro23

Part 2:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/7cv3b2

Part 3:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/2b32ti

Part 4:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/3j49sfForms:

N1* - hexagons
N1b - octagons
N1c - ellipses
SNPs- triangles
Ancestors - squares
Descendants of two royal dynasties (Gediminids and Rurikids) - MDiamond

Colours:

Finland (Finland, Karelia) Yellow
West Balts (Belgium, Poland, Germany, Prussia, Switzerland) Royal blue
East & Central Balts (Lithuanian principality: Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine) Blue
South Europe (Italy, Serbia, Hungary, Romania) mediumvioletred
Czechia (Czechia, Slovakia) mediumpurple
Russia (Russia, Komi, Chuvashia, Karelia, Udmurtia, Ukraine) Red
Asia (Kazakhstan, Bashkiria, Tartaria, Yakutia, Siberia) deeppink4
Estonia Dark-green
Norway Green
Sweden Light-green
British Orchid
Iberia (Spain, Portugal, Iberia, Mexico) Orange
Unknown White (transparent)
Ancestors Black

The tree of 1081 haplotypes that was counted by TNT phylogenetic software:

PS:
To look at the tree you must use Notepad with font Terminal.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/syy8qx

Or the same TNT tree on Wiki:
1212 haplotypes with 67 and 111 markers with SNPs: M231, L732, L731, P189, L729, L666, M128, P43, Tat, M178, L708, L839, L1026, L392, L646, VL29, L550, L1025, L149.2, L551, L58, L591, L1027, L1022, Z1936, L1034, Z1925, Z1935, Z1940, Z1941

http://wiki.molgen.org/doku.php?id=ru:y ... BF%D0%B0_n

The tree of SNPs:
Image
Last edited by mouglley on Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:31 am, edited 4 times in total.
Y-DNA: N1с1d*; P188-; M178+; P298+; P21-; P67-; P119-; L248+(23andMe); L248-(FamilyTreeDNA); L550+; L1025+
YSearch: KABEC
FamilyTree: 106620
CCR5: del32-normal
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YDNA:
N1c1d(L550)
MtDNA:
J1c3
PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:52 am
The tree of 1065 haplotypes with 67 markers.
SNPs L58, L149.2, L550, L551, L591, L646, L708, L1022, L1025, L1026, L1027, M178, P43 were used in phylogeny.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/rv08qy

PS:
To look at the tree you must use Notepad with font Terminal.
Y-DNA: N1с1d*; P188-; M178+; P298+; P21-; P67-; P119-; L248+(23andMe); L248-(FamilyTreeDNA); L550+; L1025+
YSearch: KABEC
FamilyTree: 106620
CCR5: del32-normal

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YDNA:
N1c1d
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 2:14 pm
Mouglley:
Would it be possible to receive your latest phylogenetic chart as a .pdf file?
Your post requires me to download a program that I feel is not safe.
It would be most interesting to see how you have grouped the N1c1d
Haplotypes at this moment in your research work.
Thanks,

Aart Berkhout
Dallas Texas USA
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YDNA:
N1c1d(L550)
MtDNA:
J1c3
PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 3:25 pm
Yes, a little later.
I'm making my traditional N1-tree in Murka software now.
Y-DNA: N1с1d*; P188-; M178+; P298+; P21-; P67-; P119-; L248+(23andMe); L248-(FamilyTreeDNA); L550+; L1025+
YSearch: KABEC
FamilyTree: 106620
CCR5: del32-normal
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Posts: 189
Joined: Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:55 pm

YDNA:
N1c1d(L550)
MtDNA:
J1c3
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 7:54 am
The tree of 1077 haplotypes with 67 markers.
Participants:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?hl=en&hl=en&key=tZMv2oDOwe9DLCYJ7JnnbGA&authkey=CJ6nyuwP#gid=2

Mutation rates 0,00319/generation/marker.

The age: 10000-11000 лет.

I tried to recover the haplotype of our general ancestor Nanc:
DYS 393 DYS 390 DYS 19/394 DYS 391 DYS 385a DYS 385b DYS 426 DYS 388 DYS 439 DYS 389-1 DYS 392 DYS 389-2 DYS 458 DYS 459a DYS 459b DYS 455 DYS 454 DYS 447 DYS 437 DYS 448 DYS 449 DYS 464a DYS 464b DYS 464c DYS 464d DYS 460 GATA H4 YCA IIa YCA IIb DYS 456 DYS 607 DYS 576 DYS 570 CDY a CDY b DYS 442 DYS 438 DYS 531 DYS 578 DYS 395S1a DYS 395S1b DYS 590 DYS 537 DYS 641 DYS 472 DYS 406S1 DYS 511 DYS 425 DYS 413a DYS 413b DYS 557 DYS 594 DYS 436 DYS 490 DYS 534 DYS 450 DYS 444 DYS 481 DYS 520 DYS 446 DYS 617 DYS 568 DYS 487 DYS 572 DYS 640 DYS 492 DYS 565

13,23,14,10,11,14,11,12,11,13,14,30,18,9,9,11,11,26,14,19,29,13,13,14,14,11,11,18,19,15,14,18,18,36,37,12,10,11,8,15,17,8,11,10,8,11,10,12,21,21,14,10,12,12,16,7,13,23,21,14,12,11,10,11,11,12,11
Ysearch is SZKKX

People, which haplotypes are on the tree (free to change):

https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?hl=en&hl=en&key=tZMv2oDOwe9DLCYJ7JnnbGA&authkey=CJ6nyuwP#gid=0

Murka phylogenetic software counted 1077 haplotypes N1 (size 4X3.0 Mb):
Snps, that were used for the counting of the tree: L58, L149.2, L392, L550, L551, L591, L665, L708, L727, L728, L730, L731, L732, L733, L839, L1022, L1025, L1026, L1027, M178, P43, P189, TAT
The tree:
Preview:

Image

The fullsize tree:
Part 1:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/71ro23

Part 2:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/7cv3b2

Part 3:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/2b32ti

Part 4:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/3j49sf

Forms:

N1* - hexagons
N1b - octagons
N1c - ellipses
SNPs- triangles
Ancestors - squares
Descendants of two royal dynasties (Gediminids and Rurikids) - MDiamond

Colours:

Finland (Finland, Karelia) Yellow
West Balts (Belgium, Poland, Germany, Prussia, Switzerland) Royal blue
East & Central Balts (Lithuanian principality: Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine) Blue
South Europe (Italy, Serbia, Hungary, Romania) mediumvioletred
Czechia (Czechia, Slovakia) mediumpurple
Russia (Russia, Komi, Chuvashia, Karelia, Udmurtia, Ukraine) Red
Asia (Kazakhstan, Bashkiria, Tartaria, Yakutia, Siberia) deeppink4
Estonia Dark-green
Norway Green
Sweden Light-green
British Orchid
Iberia (Spain, Portugal, Iberia, Mexico) Orange
Unknown White (transparent)
Ancestors Black

The tree of 1081 haplotypes that was counted by TNT phylogenetic software:

PS:
To look at the tree you must use Notepad with font Terminal.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/syy8qx
Y-DNA: N1с1d*; P188-; M178+; P298+; P21-; P67-; P119-; L248+(23andMe); L248-(FamilyTreeDNA); L550+; L1025+
YSearch: KABEC
FamilyTree: 106620
CCR5: del32-normal
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YDNA:
N1c1d(L550)
MtDNA:
J1c3
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2012 11:08 am
The same TNT tree on Wiki
Y-DNA: N1с1d*; P188-; M178+; P298+; P21-; P67-; P119-; L248+(23andMe); L248-(FamilyTreeDNA); L550+; L1025+
YSearch: KABEC
FamilyTree: 106620
CCR5: del32-normal

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YDNA:
L665
MtDNA:
U5b1b1a
PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 4:47 pm
What are your considerations about the age of
M46/Page70/Tat, P105 versus L666? What does mutation rates predict?
They are now at different order than before in ISOGG tree.

Hartza
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YDNA:
N1c1d(L550)
MtDNA:
J1c3
PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 5:31 pm
Hartza wrote:What are your considerations about the age of
M46/Page70/Tat, P105 versus L666? What does mutation rates predict?
They are now at different order than before in ISOGG tree.

I'm not ready to say anything obout these ages.
I think we can speak about the age of N1-L666 when one-two persons-N1a get their 67 markers.

But I think, the age of L666 will be more than 10 ky.
Y-DNA: N1с1d*; P188-; M178+; P298+; P21-; P67-; P119-; L248+(23andMe); L248-(FamilyTreeDNA); L550+; L1025+
YSearch: KABEC
FamilyTree: 106620
CCR5: del32-normal

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Location: Kangastan
YDNA:
N-L1034
MtDNA:
B5a1a
PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:03 am
mouglley wrote:
Hartza wrote:What are your considerations about the age of
M46/Page70/Tat, P105 versus L666? What does mutation rates predict?
They are now at different order than before in ISOGG tree.

I'm not ready to say anything obout these ages.
I think we can speak about the age of N1-L666 when one-two persons-N1a get their 67 markers.

But I think, the age of L666 will be more than 10 ky.

This guy Umirzhanov 248151 might be 67 markers N1a http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ala ... n=yresults
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YDNA:
N1c1d(L550)
MtDNA:
J1c3
PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 9:12 am
vadu wrote:This guy Umirzhanov 248151 might be 67 markers N1a http://www.familytreedna.com/public/ala ... n=yresults

But who knows if he's N1a?
We have never seen N1a with 67 markers, so he can be N1b or even N1-L666(xM128,P43).
I think the test for M128 must be ordered for him.
Y-DNA: N1с1d*; P188-; M178+; P298+; P21-; P67-; P119-; L248+(23andMe); L248-(FamilyTreeDNA); L550+; L1025+
YSearch: KABEC
FamilyTree: 106620
CCR5: del32-normal
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