Phylogenetic tree of haplogroup N1 by Yurgan

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YDNA:
N-Y4374
MtDNA:
U5b1b2
PostPosted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 3:39 pm
Juhani Wayrynen wrote:163129 is one of the oldest karelian haplotypes. On the same branch is 167408.
Other old karelian haplotypes are (DYS537=9):
122726, 122863, 159196, 132919, 161335, 162567, 167356, 167408, 172038, 185414, 218428;
51003 DYS537=8 ja 186401 DYS537=10.
TMRCA is 2695+-273 years (Median Joining Network 4.6.1.0.) Oldest node is older than TMRCA, may be about 3000 years.
There have been many bottlenecks in the Finns and the genetic material is lost.
Are 51003 and 186401 Pre-Karelians?


More oldest karelian haplotypes: 101480, 127164, 131286, 146662, 157569, 163129, 165183, 178233, 193123, 213039, N17355, N54096 and N97157. TMRCA 2922+-309, the oldest node is over 3000 years.

Oldest Savo haplotypes : 98, 3333, 98434, 115827, 132607, 146777, 149086, 151450, 153925, 169539, 183833, 212688, 218546, 218787, N18038, N31632 and N50225. TMRCA 2896+-344, the oldest node is over 3000 years.
My calculator may estimate 5% greater ages than Semargl.me. But genetic times are probability calculations.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:03 pm
Juhani Wayrynen wrote:
Oldest Savo haplotypes : 98, 3333, 98434, 115827, 132607, 146777, 149086, 151450, 153925, 169539, 183833, 212688, 218546, 218787, N18038, N31632 and N50225. TMRCA 2896+-344, the oldest node is over 3000 years.
My calculator may estimate 5% greater ages than Semargl.me. But genetic times are probability calculations.


New phylogenetic analysis: 265 karelian haplotypes, 238 savonian haplotypes and others ad 700. My N1c1 database 67 markers is about 1000 haplotypes. But the program can't make haplotree over 700 haplotypes and calculate ages over 500 haplotypes.
Haplotypes nodes 3333, 98434, 151450, 169539, 183833, 212688, N31632 and N50225 are karelians.
Now238 Savo haplotypes, TMRCA 1967+-200 years.
Oldest Savo 6 haplotypes: nodes 98, 205428, 218546, 218787, N18038 and N23704. TMRCA 2420+-296. But they are so few. that it is no matter.

http://koti.mbnet.fi/juhani39/Savo238haplotypes.pdf
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