Geno 2.0 Y-SNPs


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 6:23 pm
sasha39 wrote:Hi Svein,

They only show 10 or less as a GD so if you have a 11 GD from someone they won't show it. ;)

I downloaded all the Finland and N1c1 Projects hg N data and of the more than 1750 total results there were just over 200 with 111 marker results. My nearest match however is only 94/111 so no wonder FTDNA doesn't show any results if they use max 10. I make a 94/111 match about 32 generations, i.e. just after the peak Viking area!

Must be patient and wait for many more 111 marker results!!
Y-DNA: Hg N1c1a1a1a N3115 / SW7S9
mtDNA: Hg J1c2f

Paternal and maternal ancestors all Norwegians, 9 and 6 generations respectively.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 3:10 pm
Svein wrote:
sasha39 wrote:Hi Svein,

They only show 10 or less as a GD so if you have a 11 GD from someone they won't show it. ;)

I downloaded all the Finland and N1c1 Projects hg N data and of the more than 1750 total results there were just over 200 with 111 marker results. My nearest match however is only 94/111 so no wonder FTDNA doesn't show any results if they use max 10. I make a 94/111 match about 32 generations, i.e. just after the peak Viking area!

Must be patient and wait for many more 111 marker results!!


In my phylogenetic tree 67 markers.
On the same branch 144085, N19004, 217193, 100187, 116670, N93736, 97963, N17967, N3115 and 246739.
TMRCA 1489+-219 years.
There are 4 from Norway. Nearest to you is 246739 from Norway 7 steps and N17967 from Sweden 8 steps about 7-8 hundreds years ago.


! ! ! ! ! +--------------------144085_F_Unk
! ! ! ! ! +-1122
! ! ! ! ! ! +--------------------N19004_F_Nor
! ! ! ! ! !
! ! ! ! ! ! +--------------N93736_F_Nor
! ! +-1228 ! ! +-837
! ! ! ! ! ! +--------------97963_F_Sco
! ! ! +-1176 +-904
! ! ! ! ! ! +-----------N3115_F_Nor
! ! ! ! ! ! +-657
! ! ! ! ! +-699 +-----------246739_F_Nor
! ! ! ! +-1052 !
! ! ! ! ! ! +------------N17967_F_Swe
! ! ! ! ! !
! ! ! +-1132 ! +--100187_F_Ger
! ! ! ! +---------------52
! ! ! ! +--116670_F_Ire
! ! ! !
! ! ! +--------------------217193_F_Eng

All are Finns/Varangians. They may have been in the viking time or before and moved from Norway to England, Scotland, Ireland and Germany.
But from where they became to Norway, via Sweden or via Baltic Sea?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 6:47 pm
Thank you sasha 39 and Juhani,
I'll post a more comprehensive reply later (we have visitors!) but I wanted to share a "tree" I have constructed of my nearest Norwegian DNA cousins. One of the problems I have encountered is that the Norwegian ancestor of 246739 changed his name when he emigrated to US in 1846/47 and we cannot trace his origin in Norway!

The MRCA 4 is quite possibly a Finn.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 10:32 am
Svein wrote:Thank you sasha 39 and Juhani,
I'll post a more comprehensive reply later (we have visitors!) but I wanted to share a "tree" I have constructed of my nearest Norwegian DNA cousins. One of the problems I have encountered is that the Norwegian ancestor of 246739 changed his name when he emigrated to US in 1846/47 and we cannot trace his origin in Norway!

The MRCA 4 is quite possibly a Finn.


New 111 markers Phylogenetic Haplotree, 231 haplotypes.
Close to you is 106849 (Nikitin) 28 steps, 116670 (Wilson) 23 steps, 100187 (Wilson) 23 steps.
You are also in the Phylogenetic Haplotree close to ProtoRukids and Rurikids.
To N86056 (Baron) 36 steps, to 223619 (Werme/Karlsson) 32 steps, to 187619 (Östlund) 32 steps.
Your ancestors may have been varangians or vikings.

http://koti.mbnet.fi/juhani39/Tree1a.pdf
http://koti.mbnet.fi/juhani39/Tree1b.pdf
http://koti.mbnet.fi/juhani39/Tree1c.pdf
http://koti.mbnet.fi/juhani39/Tree1d.txt

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2013 3:16 pm
Svein wrote:My 111 marker results are now posted, weeks ahead of schedule. However, no matches show up for the 111 marker results

18 steps on 111 markers from McLelland (Scotland; 217193):
http://forum.molgen.org/index.php/topic ... #msg192644
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 9:02 am
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Juhani Wayrynen wrote:
Svein wrote:Thank you sasha 39 and Juhani,
I'll post a more comprehensive reply later (we have visitors!) but I wanted to share a "tree" I have constructed of my nearest Norwegian DNA cousins. One of the problems I have encountered is that the Norwegian ancestor of 246739 changed his name when he emigrated to US in 1846/47 and we cannot trace his origin in Norway!

The MRCA 4 is quite possibly a Finn.


New 111 markers Phylogenetic Haplotree, 231 haplotypes.
Close to you is 106849 (Nikitin) 28 steps, 116670 (Wilson) 23 steps, 100187 (Wilson) 23 steps.
You are also in the Phylogenetic Haplotree close to ProtoRukids and Rurikids.
To N86056 (Baron) 36 steps, to 223619 (Werme/Karlsson) 32 steps, to 187619 (Östlund) 32 steps.
Your ancestors may have been varangians or vikings.

http://koti.mbnet.fi/juhani39/Tree1a.pdf
http://koti.mbnet.fi/juhani39/Tree1b.pdf
http://koti.mbnet.fi/juhani39/Tree1c.pdf
http://koti.mbnet.fi/juhani39/Tree1d.txt


Sasha, Gentleman

Are kits 193067, 202123, 225794, 229569 Gediminas?
PNG of 1381 haplotypes.
A part is also on the same branch in the 111 markers tree.

Swein. Now there are also 217193 in the 111 markers tree. Close to You, so Mukovnikov said.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:29 am
Juhani,

We think that the key to Gediminas and his clan is besides being L149+ L550+ & L551+ is to have DYS557 =13 and DYS716 =28, So anyone who has these values would be a good possibility. :D

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:49 pm
Thank you to everyone who has helped me to locate my nearest "cousins", especially "kiitos" to Juhani for the trees.
One question however - I have found 100187 Wilson in my database, but not 116670 Wilson-what project does he belong to?
As Mukovnikov says McLelland, 217193, Scotland, is my nearest 111 marker match at the moment. Interestingly I took the ca 210 111 marker matches I have and looked at what the results were at the 67 marker level and in fact the order of the top matches was quite different so I guess this show the advantages of "more markers" for the best results.

Juhani suggests that my (Finnish?) ancestors may have been varangians or vikings. I have a slightly different theory.
My matches are spread over south-east Finland, Forest-Finns in Sweden, Scotland/North England and South Norway. As I can trace my paternal ancestors in Norway before the Forest-Finn migration my MRCA with the Forest-Finn must have lived in Finland, as I show in the "tree" I posted Jul 24. With the other southern Norway and Scottish/English matches I believe that this can be explained by a close knit family group of traders/merchants from south-east Finland who traded with the Viking settlements in Scotland/England and Norway just after the "violent" part of the Viking era, settled in those areas over time. The TMRCA with most of my matches is 1100-1200 AD and my ancestors in Norway lived virtually next door to the Viking tradecenter Kaupang.
But I still need many more 111 marker matches to finalize the theory! I have also just submitted my Geno 2 sample, but if this will add any further SNPs to my L550+ and L1025- I don't know.
Y-DNA: Hg N1c1a1a1a N3115 / SW7S9
mtDNA: Hg J1c2f

Paternal and maternal ancestors all Norwegians, 9 and 6 generations respectively.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 7:04 pm
Svein wrote:My matches are spread over south-east Finland, Forest-Finns in Sweden, Scotland/North England and South Norway. As I can trace my paternal ancestors in Norway before the Forest-Finn migration my MRCA with the Forest-Finn must have lived in Finland, as I show in the "tree" I posted Jul 24. With the other southern Norway and Scottish/English matches I believe that this can be explained by a close knit family group of traders/merchants from south-east Finland who traded with the Viking settlements in Scotland/England and Norway just after the "violent" part of the Viking era, settled in those areas over time. The TMRCA with most of my matches is 1100-1200 AD and my ancestors in Norway lived virtually next door to the Viking tradecenter Kaupang.
But I still need many more 111 marker matches to finalize the theory! I have also just submitted my Geno 2 sample, but if this will add any further SNPs to my L550+ and L1025- I don't know.

"When a group of Karelians ("Bjarmians") had been forced westwards by the Mongols, Haakon allowed them to stay in Malangen and had them Christened—something that would please the papacy." This happened in 1240's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haakon_IV_of_Norway

Bjarmia was not even that far from England, as witnessed by Ottar. Then again, Malangen is not Kaupang but good tradespeople sure found their ways to get into hot spots.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohthere_of_H%C3%A5logaland
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2013 10:15 am
Svein wrote: - I have found 100187 Wilson in my database, but not 116670 Wilson-what project does he belong to?

116670 Wilson Ireland belong to Rurik proj. Both Wilsons 100187 and 116670 are from Ireland.
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