Stoeni's haplotype


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R- Z2110 (KV7Y2)
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 9:09 am
These are stoeni's data in YHRD format:
13 14-29 23 10 13 13 13-17 9 11 15 19 14 16 na 11 (10+1)
And these haplotypes are the closest::
2 13 14 29 23 10 13 13 13,17 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 - >>
1 13 14 29 23 10 13 13 13,17 9 11 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 - >>
1 of 230 Tyrol, Austria [Tyrolean] Eurasian - European - Western European Europe
1 of 252 Lombardy, Italy [Italian] Eurasian - European - Western European Europe
1 of 113 Central Anatolia, Turkey [Turkish] Eurasian - Altaic Asia
Certainly the closest is the last, having documented DYS438=9 and DYD439=11.
Linked are these haplotypes:
14 14 29 23 10 13 13 13,17 9 11 1 >>
1 14 14 29 23 10 13 13 13,17 9 11 14 19 15 17 24 11 15 24 11 14 18 10 - >>
1 of 815 Mendoza, Argentina [European] Eurasian - European Latin America
(And these to deepen:
14 14 29 23 10 13 13 14,17 9 11 9 >>
13 14 29 23 10 13 13 13,17 9 11 1 >>)

13 14 30 23 10 13 13 13,17 9 11 1 >>
1 13 14 30 23 10 13 13 13,17 9 11 15 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 - >>
1 of 291 Greece [Greek] Eurasian - European - South-Eastern European Europe
(And these to deepen:
13 14 30 23 10 13 13 13,16 9 11 2 >>
13 14 29 23 10 13 13 13,17 9 11 1 >>
13 14 30 23 10 13 14 13,17 9 11 1 >>
13 14 30 23 10 13 13 13,17 9 12 1 >>)
13 14 29 23 10 13 13 13,16 9 11 1 >>
1 13 14 29 23 10 13 13 13,16 9 11 14 20 15 17 20 11 17 26 13 12 17 11 M70 T (YCC: T) >>
1 of 2085 Netherlands [Dutch] Eurasian - European - Western European Europe
(And these to deepen:
13 14 30 23 10 13 13 13,16 9 11 2 >>
13 14 29 23 10 13 13 12,16 9 11 1 >>
13 14 29 23 10 13 13 13,17 9 11 1 >>
13 14 29 23 10 13 13 13,16 9 12 1 >>)

To deepen these closer values:
13 14 30 23 10 13 13 13,17 6 >>
13 14 29 23 10 12 13 13,17 6 >>
13 14 29 23 10 13 13 13,16 3 >>
14 14 29 23 10 13 13 13,17 1 >>
13 14 29 23 10 13 13 13,18 1 >>

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 10:46 am
Unfortunately the closest to you, named Chandler, is an adoptee:
7VKQ6 Chandler Unknown
13 23 13 10 13 17 11 12 12 13 13 29 16 9 9 11 12 25 15 19 32 11 14 14 16 10 10 23 24 14 13 17 18 34 39 14 9 12 11 15 11 8 17 17 8 11 10 8 12 10 18 20 15 10 12 12 16 8 27 19 11 11 15 11 11 12 11
but his line is perhaps the closest to you and demonstrates how your line is autonomous amongst the T-L131. Perhaps you should upgrade at least to 67 markers and do some SNPs tests, not only L131, but a Big Y or a Full Genome would be the best.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 2:57 pm
Very close is probably this Anonymous Brazilian and perhaps it is interesting that the closest to him is from Sardinia:
4J56P Anonymous Brazilian Brazil
13 23 13 10 13 16 11 12 11 14 13 29 16 9 9 11 12 26 15 19 33 11 14 14 16 11 10 23 24 14 13 9 11 12 12 21 10 14 11 11 16 31 22
7MYJH Riva Cagliari, Italy
12 23 13 10 13 16 11 12 11 14 13 30 16 9 9 11 13 26 15 19 34 11 14 15 16 11 10 23 25 15 13 9 11 13 14 20 10 14 12 11 14 30 22

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:47 am
These data demonstrate how you are closely related:
4J56P Anonymous Brazilian Brazil
13 23 13 10 13 16 11 12 11 14 13 29 16 9 9 11 12 26 15 19 33 11 14 14 16 11 10 23 24 14 xx xx xx xx xx 13 9 11 12 12 21 10 14 11 11 16 31 22
7MYJH Riva Cagliari, Italy
12 23 13 10 13 16 11 12 11 14 13 30 16 9 9 11 13 26 15 19 34 11 14 15 16 11 10 23 25 15 xx xx xx xx xx 13 9 11 13 14 20 10 14 12 11 14 30 22
CABJ3 Erspamer Malosco, Italy
13 23 13 10 13 17 11 12 11 14 13 29 16 9 9 11 12 26 15 19 33 11 14 14 16 10 10 23 24 14 13 17 18 33 36 13 9
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 7:10 pm
Gioiello wrote:These are stoeni's data in YHRD format:
13 14-29 23 10 13 13 13-17 9 11 15 19 14 16 na 11 (10+1)


thanks, but these are my numbers
13 14-30 22 10 13 13 13-13 9 11 15 19 17 16


red are the differences with yours


matches are
1 Linz in Upper Austria
1 Biella in Piemonte

The 13-13 , this fast mutation one is the problem child
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 7:15 pm
Gioiello wrote:Unfortunately the closest to you, named Chandler, is an adoptee:
7VKQ6 Chandler Unknown
13 23 13 10 13 17 11 12 12 13 13 29 16 9 9 11 12 25 15 19 32 11 14 14 16 10 10 23 24 14 13 17 18 34 39 14 9 12 11 15 11 8 17 17 8 11 10 8 12 10 18 20 15 10 12 12 16 8 27 19 11 11 15 11 11 12 11
but his line is perhaps the closest to you and demonstrates how your line is autonomous amongst the T-L131. Perhaps you should upgrade at least to 67 markers and do some SNPs tests, not only L131, but a Big Y or a Full Genome would be the best.


I have done the natgeno2 test, I have done 67 marker tests

unfortunately , my closest is the knox family in Ireland with my SNP T-CTS8862.
In the Knox family is a Mason line with T .
The Mason surname, of which there are 800 in Veneto is pronounced as ( mah...zon ). From this you get Mazzon , again very many of these surnames in the Veneto.


written correspondence with the Knox family has led to nothing


I have 99 to 100% european
Less than 1 percent for each and all of the following
Greek
Balkan
Jew
Slavic
Iberian
Scandinavian

the only main numbers are italian, french and german .............with some irish ..........the only place french, italian and german meet are in the alps ( why does everyone want to destroy the ancient alpine people .............its like the slavs want to destroy the ancient baltic people

@goiello ..............I thank you very much for your time and effort ..............kind regards

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:14 pm
stoeni wrote:@gioiello ..............I thank you very much for your time and effort ..............kind regards


I apologize, stoeni, but, not having your data, I thought you were Erspamer, whose haplotype I studied. Hope that with your data I'll be able to understand who you are, and I'll study your haplotype.
It seems to me that with DYS385=13-14 (perhaps yours is a RecLOH), there is a Tuscan in the 1KGP.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:30 pm
Gioiello wrote:
stoeni wrote:@gioiello ..............I thank you very much for your time and effort ..............kind regards


I apologize, stoeni, but, not having your data, I thought you were Erspamer, whose haplotype I studied. Hope that with your data I'll be able to understand who you are, and I'll study your haplotype.
It seems to me that with DYS385=13-14 (perhaps yours is a RecLOH), there is a Tuscan in the 1KGP.



Thanks

Erspamer is from South Tyrol ( alto-adige area ),
My paternal line before it settled in the Veneto from 1650 to present, has a very good chance to have been in Trentino as my current surname, once I remove the Veneto extensions of ato and otto , matches a few trentino families from Dermulo, Tres and Fassa areas. This line came from Ravenstein in South-West Germany in the 12th century, before this , it was in Alsace ...............that's all I can find out ..........of course, one is not sure is the trentino line is accurate

In SMGF, my closest matches are surname Mueller from Bavaria and Lippi from Lombardy

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:44 pm
When you say "my SNP T-CTS8862" I hope that my identification of you with Vettor of Anthrogenica is right. Perhaps you know that I like the open analysis, and I am looking for the truth, anyway. Your data are very close to those of Michael Benedetto, but differ in DYS458. Anyway probably they aren't so far, and Benedetto is clearly linked to N35265:
N4188 Michael Benedetto, Toretto, Italy Italy T-M70
13 22 13 10 13-13 11 12 11 14 13 30 16 8-9 11 12 26 15 19 33 11-11-15-16 10 12 23-24 16 13 18 17 34-34 13 9
N35265 Camposano, Province of Naples, Italy Italy T-M70
13 22 13 10 13-15 11 12 12 14 13 30 16 9-9 11 12 26 15 19 33 11-11-15-16 10 11 23-25 16 13 18 17 34-35 14 9
Perhaps if I could get your 67 markers, I could say something more careful, perhaps definitive.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:55 pm
Probably these are the closest haplotypes. Once more: Italians from Jews or Jews from Italians?
TB9PE Benedetto Bari, Italy
13 22 13 10 13 13 11 12 11 14 13 30 16 8 9 11 12 26 15 19 33 11 11 15 16 10 12 23 24 16 13 18 17 34 34 13 9
3QECG Hulpiau Belgium
13 22 13 10 12 13 11 12 11 13 14 29 16 8 9 11 12 27 15 19 34 11 11 15 16 10 10 23 24 16 13 18 17 33 34 13 9
M6MUM Rossi Alvignano, Italy
13 22 13 11 13 13 11 12 11 14 13 30 18 9 9 11 12 26 15 19 33 11 11 15 17 10 11 22 25 16 13 18 17 34 36 13 9
T8WMY Russo Camposano, Province of Naples, Italy
13 22 13 10 13 15 11 12 12 14 13 30 16 9 9 11 12 26 15 19 33 11 11 15 16 10 11 23 25 16 13 18 17 34 35 14 9
YSU4S Dalessio Selerno, Italy
13 22 13 10 13 13 11 12 11 14 13 30 16 9 9 11 12 27 15 19 35 11 11 15 16 10 11 23 25 16 13 19 16 34 34 14 9 12 11 15 11 8 17 17 8 11 10 8 12 11 20 20 17 10 12 12 15 8 26 21 11 12 14 10 11 12 11
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