Stoeni's haplotype

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Location: Family Line Veneto ( italy ) since ~1600
YDNA:
T1a2-Z19945
MtDNA:
H95a
PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2015 7:14 pm
Another 2 "relatives"

Daniel Hof kit# 194479 1610-1633 Germany

and

Domenico Piangerelli from Genga Marche in Italy ( ysearch 8JJY7 )

only person with DYS464 of 11-11-11-11 which is the same as Stoeni
Fathers mtdna - T2b17 ...back to 1860 Bucciol line
Grandfathers mtdna - T1a1e ...back to 1820 Mestriner line
Sons Mtdna - K1a4 ....back to 1840 Tesser line
Maternal grandfather ydna - Ild-P109
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Posts: 542
Joined: Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:19 am
Location: Family Line Veneto ( italy ) since ~1600
YDNA:
T1a2-Z19945
MtDNA:
H95a
PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 7:23 pm
2 more italians found in my group within FTDNA T Project
they both have SNP of CTS8862

kit ...N164010 with surname Greco ..........popular surname all over Italy with currently 1500 households using it.

and

kit ...N145191 with surname Goldin ( as I was told ).........only 240 households ( 230 in north Italy and 10 in Tuscany and Umbria )
200 of these are in Veneto with majority in Padua province
Fathers mtdna - T2b17 ...back to 1860 Bucciol line
Grandfathers mtdna - T1a1e ...back to 1820 Mestriner line
Sons Mtdna - K1a4 ....back to 1840 Tesser line
Maternal grandfather ydna - Ild-P109

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Joined: Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:08 am
Location: Pisa (Italy)
YDNA:
R- Z2110 (KV7Y2)
MtDNA:
K1a1b1e/HQ176413
PostPosted: Sat Jun 11, 2016 10:26 pm
Haplogroup T is the most likable to be found in aDNA from Middle East, perhaps with some subclades of hg. E, but a few subclades are very old also in Italy.
Yours seems to be more recent, but this subclade seems to be neolithic in Italy:
T-CTS54 CTS54 * Z19896 * Z19926+23 SNPs formed 6400 ybp, TMRCA 2800 ybp info
T-CTS54*id:NA20758 TSI

T-CTS8489 CTS10538 * CTS8489 * CTS9984+3 SNPs formed 2800 ybp, TMRCA 2200 ybp info
T-CTS8489*id:HG01051 PUR
id:HG01530 IBS

T-Y17493 Y17497 * Y17499 * Y17500+11 SNPs formed 2200 ybp, TMRCA 375 ybp info
id:YF04232
id:YF04203 USA [US-NC]
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Posts: 542
Joined: Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:19 am
Location: Family Line Veneto ( italy ) since ~1600
YDNA:
T1a2-Z19945
MtDNA:
H95a
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 3:15 am
Gioiello wrote:Haplogroup T is the most likable to be found in aDNA from Middle East, perhaps with some subclades of hg. E, but a few subclades are very old also in Italy.
Yours seems to be more recent, but this subclade seems to be neolithic in Italy:
T-CTS54 CTS54 * Z19896 * Z19926+23 SNPs formed 6400 ybp, TMRCA 2800 ybp info
T-CTS54*id:NA20758 TSI

T-CTS8489 CTS10538 * CTS8489 * CTS9984+3 SNPs formed 2800 ybp, TMRCA 2200 ybp info
T-CTS8489*id:HG01051 PUR
id:HG01530 IBS

T-Y17493 Y17497 * Y17499 * Y17500+11 SNPs formed 2200 ybp, TMRCA 375 ybp info
id:YF04232
id:YF04203 USA [US-NC]



your T-CTS8489 is equal to T-CTS8862 as per Isogg .............so they are the same
Fathers mtdna - T2b17 ...back to 1860 Bucciol line
Grandfathers mtdna - T1a1e ...back to 1820 Mestriner line
Sons Mtdna - K1a4 ....back to 1840 Tesser line
Maternal grandfather ydna - Ild-P109

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Joined: Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:08 am
Location: Pisa (Italy)
YDNA:
R- Z2110 (KV7Y2)
MtDNA:
K1a1b1e/HQ176413
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 3:59 am
stoeni wrote:your T-CTS8489 is equal to T-CTS8862 as per Isogg .............so they are the same


I haven't studied your case from so long, and, after the R1b1a 14000 years old at Villabruna, Belluno, Italy, I think that all my enemies (and you know who they are) are definitely defeated, and I am waiting next aDNA for humiliating them, so your hg. T had less interest to me, but, watching at the YFull tree, it seems that your haplotype, 2200 years old, is found massively in Italy and also in Iberia, but the oldest sample is in Tuscany, thus very likely it is in Italy from the neolithic, and, if you find some Jew close to you, also this time, even though the oldest origin of the haplogroup is very likely in Middle East, that Jew is introgressed in Italy and not the other way around.
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Location: Family Line Veneto ( italy ) since ~1600
YDNA:
T1a2-Z19945
MtDNA:
H95a
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 6:43 pm
Gioiello wrote:
stoeni wrote:your T-CTS8489 is equal to T-CTS8862 as per Isogg .............so they are the same


I haven't studied your case from so long, and, after the R1b1a 14000 years old at Villabruna, Belluno, Italy, I think that all my enemies (and you know who they are) are definitely defeated, and I am waiting next aDNA for humiliating them, so your hg. T had less interest to me, but, watching at the YFull tree, it seems that your haplotype, 2200 years old, is found massively in Italy and also in Iberia, but the oldest sample is in Tuscany, thus very likely it is in Italy from the neolithic, and, if you find some Jew close to you, also this time, even though the oldest origin of the haplogroup is very likely in Middle East, that Jew is introgressed in Italy and not the other way around.


The oldest skeletal origin of this marker ( 100% ) is found in early Neolithic east-germany, dated 7000ybp ( Karlsdorf)
The next oldest is in Ibiza/majorca islands ~ 6000ybp

The youngest area found for this marker by current yfull studies is the middle-east area

The jew comment , I do not understand ..........but the surname Goldin comes from the venetian lengoa......Gol/Gola ( throat , actually esophagus in medical studies )............the din , like igo, lin, ato, otto, gher and many others are Veneto surname endings.
Fathers mtdna - T2b17 ...back to 1860 Bucciol line
Grandfathers mtdna - T1a1e ...back to 1820 Mestriner line
Sons Mtdna - K1a4 ....back to 1840 Tesser line
Maternal grandfather ydna - Ild-P109

Posts: 2341
Joined: Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:08 am
Location: Pisa (Italy)
YDNA:
R- Z2110 (KV7Y2)
MtDNA:
K1a1b1e/HQ176413
PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2016 7:42 pm
stoeni wrote:The oldest skeletal origin of this marker ( 100% ) is found in early Neolithic east-germany, dated 7000ybp ( Karlsdorf)
The next oldest is in Ibiza/majorca islands ~ 6000ybp


Unfortunately aDNA is bad tested and those samples are tested only for the a few SNPs at the M70 level, thus we don't know if they belong to your late subclade. It is possible, but we don't know. Anyway from the YFull tree the oldest samples come from Middel East, perhaps Northern Middle East better than Arabia.
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YDNA:
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MtDNA:
H95a
PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 6:51 pm
Another with my SNP of CTS8862 has been noted in Yfull tree as a Sardinian
Fathers mtdna - T2b17 ...back to 1860 Bucciol line
Grandfathers mtdna - T1a1e ...back to 1820 Mestriner line
Sons Mtdna - K1a4 ....back to 1840 Tesser line
Maternal grandfather ydna - Ild-P109
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Posts: 542
Joined: Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:19 am
Location: Family Line Veneto ( italy ) since ~1600
YDNA:
T1a2-Z19945
MtDNA:
H95a
PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2016 6:00 pm
stoeni wrote:Another with my SNP of CTS8862 has been noted in Yfull tree as a Sardinian



Another CTS8862 has joined my small group - He is french with the surname Bernot , kit# 517001

so currently there is myself from north-italy
1 x french
1 x catalan
1 x german
1 x english
1 x scottish
1 named Greco ( italian ) , surname is equally distributed all over Italy
Another north-italian

The closest I sit next to is the catalan
Fathers mtdna - T2b17 ...back to 1860 Bucciol line
Grandfathers mtdna - T1a1e ...back to 1820 Mestriner line
Sons Mtdna - K1a4 ....back to 1840 Tesser line
Maternal grandfather ydna - Ild-P109
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Posts: 542
Joined: Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:19 am
Location: Family Line Veneto ( italy ) since ~1600
YDNA:
T1a2-Z19945
MtDNA:
H95a
PostPosted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 6:35 am
I received my Big Y results and only match one person

Francois Bernot ( french ) kit # 517001 ......YF07168 on YFull

We are the only T members that share the unique Z19945 SNP

When I get my BAM file from Ftdna...I will sent it to Yfull and see if we can created another branch from CTS8489 ( equal to CTS8862 in ftdna )
Fathers mtdna - T2b17 ...back to 1860 Bucciol line
Grandfathers mtdna - T1a1e ...back to 1820 Mestriner line
Sons Mtdna - K1a4 ....back to 1840 Tesser line
Maternal grandfather ydna - Ild-P109
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