FTDNA mtDNA FMS count milestones

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:54 pm
GTC wrote:Thanks for the update.

More than 20,000 FMS records is a big number. It's a pity that less than 7% of them are publicly available to scientists. I wonder what could be made of access to the full 20K.

Actually, about 25% are on GenBank. By my count, 4,222 were sent with Behar's RSRS paper in April, added to the 1,302 direct submissions. The cutoff date for Behar's submissions was February of 2011, so many have become available since then. Many have not been consented by the test subjects. Others were not submitted because they were exact haplotype matches to ones being sent or were already on GenBank.

Bill Hurst

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 3:07 am
Bill Hurst wrote:Actually, about 25% are on GenBank. By my count, 4,222 were sent with Behar's RSRS paper in April, added to the 1,302 direct submissions. The cutoff date for Behar's submissions was February of 2011, so many have become available since then. Many have not been consented by the test subjects. Others were not submitted because they were exact haplotype matches to ones being sent or were already on GenBank.


I was using your 1,302 figure, so 25% is a lot better than 7%.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 2:25 am
It is possible to get the total number of FMS test results published in GenBank including those from research studies? I'd guess there well over 1,000 from research studies. It's interesting that with so many test results published, we are still getting new test results that are unique haplotypes and that in many cases define new branches in the Phylotree that date to 15,000 to 20,000 years ago. I think there is still a great deal of diversity in mtDNA yet to be discovered.

Gail

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 12:25 pm
GailT wrote:It is possible to get the total number of FMS test results published in GenBank including those from research studies? I'd guess there well over 1,000 from research studies. It's interesting that with so many test results published, we are still getting new test results that are unique haplotypes and that in many cases define new branches in the Phylotree that date to 15,000 to 20,000 years ago. I think there is still a great deal of diversity in mtDNA yet to be discovered.

Gail

Hi Gail and all,

It's very difficult to get an exact count of full-sequence mtDNA results on GenBank. There are FMS results labeled as "partial genome." Some labeled as complete only have the coding region - or even just the HVR. But by one count, the number today is 16,160. So you have more than 10,000 from scientific papers. I think that's what you meant instead of 1,000.

I do agree that the tree keeps growing. I've found quite a few possible new K subclades just since PhyloTree Build 14 in April. There are many countries where the tested population is relatively small; Portugal, for example. Some countries have had a lot of testing. For example, on Dr. Behar's 2006 K tree there were no examples from Ireland. I just checked; 103 of my K Project FMS members trace to Ireland. Eight to Portugal. A different example might be the one K3 I found in the 249 Han Chinese in the Zheng paper last year. There are 1.3 billion Han Chinese. There could be 5 million K3 people among the Han Chinese - and we've found one so far!

As the price of testing goes down, more scientists will test more subjects to the FMS level, instead of to the partial HVR1 level we still sometimes see. On the other hand, with funding cuts, maybe there will be less testing period.

Bill Hurst

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 2:59 am
GailT wrote:It is possible to get the total number of FMS test results published in GenBank including those from research studies? I'd guess there well over 1,000 from research studies. It's interesting that with so many test results published, we are still getting new test results that are unique haplotypes and that in many cases define new branches in the Phylotree that date to 15,000 to 20,000 years ago. I think there is still a great deal of diversity in mtDNA yet to be discovered.

Gail

One way to do this is to go to

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore

and enter this query

mitochondrion AND homo sapiens[organism] AND 15000:17000[slen]

SLEN is sequence length. Using 15000 as the minimum will get you sequences where only the coding region was reported. If you use 16000, that's probably good enough to filter those out.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:35 pm
Hi all,

On Tuesday, November 6, 2012, FTDNA reached another milestone of 21,088 FMS results. This time it took only about seven weeks for 1,000 results.

There are now 1,313 FTDNA direct submissions on GenBank, only adding 11 results since the last report.

Bill Hurst

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:25 pm
On January 13, 2012:
21,811 FGS records in the database

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 06, 2013 1:56 pm
Hi all,

On Wednesday, February 6, 2013, FTDNA reached another milestone of 22,061 FMS results. This time it took three months to add 1,000 results.

There are now 1,355 FTDNA direct submissions on GenBank, adding 42 results since the last report.

Bill Hurst

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 09, 2013 5:11 am
Bill Hurst wrote:On Wednesday, February 6, 2013, FTDNA reached another milestone of 22,061 FMS results. This time it took three months to add 1,000 results.



Friday March 8, 2013, FTDNA has 22,346 FGS records in the database. It appears that they had some delays in processing the new orders from the Nov-Dec sale.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:21 am
Hi all,

On Wednesday, March 20, 2013, FTDNA reached another milestone of exactly 23,000 FMS results. This time it took only six weeks to add 1,000 results.

There are now 1,371 FTDNA direct submissions on GenBank, adding only 16 results since the last report.

Bill Hurst
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