MDLP modification of DIYDodecad calculator

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:49 am
Thanks, Sam, for your swift and insightful reply. You usefully point out something that I had actually overlooked- my Paleo-North Euro scores are at the level of noise if we go by Dr Peter Forster's [Cambridge Univ.] yardstick of 2.5%.

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U8b-K1a13a
PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 4:13 pm
My K=15 results:

=>22.65% Celto-Germanic
==>17.30% West-Mediterranean
===>16.71% Balkanic-1
====>14.91% Iberian
=====>8.55% Balto-Slavic
======>7.84% East-Mediterranean
=======>5.06% Caucasian
========>1.65% Balto-Finnic
=========>1.42% South-Central-Asian
==========>1.27% Uralic-Permic
===========>1.14% Volga-Uralic
============>1.04% Balkanic-2
=============>0.34% West-Altaic
==============>0.11% Paleo-North-European
===============>0.00% East-Altaic


As far as I know my ancestry is from Asturies and perhaps mostly from western Asturies.
I'm not participating in the dodecad project yet.
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R-L21>DF13**
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H11a2a
PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 6:19 pm
MJost wrote:ok, here is my MDLP and EuroGene K12's

MDLP 12 Pop
55.76% Celto-Germanic
14.46% East-European
10.89% Paleo-Mediterranean
7.25% Iberian
4.45% Balto-Finnic
2.42% South-Central
1.83% Paleo-Balkanic
1.33% Asian
1.09% Uralic-Permic
0.50% Caucasian
0.01% Paleo-North-European
0.00% Volga-Uralic


Is there a spreadsheet being kept for this data? I would like to know who has the highest for each population.
148326 DF13** Celtic, Goidelic 111 Marker: GD1/67 & GD3/111 Watterson USA, Cook(UK/Scot Heritage) with a GD5/111, Codere(Watterson(McWalter))IOM GD8/111 and Ross Scotland GD13/111. Cluster 13*-1130-A1: 20 off-modals from L21.
Sorted slow to fast: 531=>12, 497=15, 511=11, 19=>15, 385a=12, 441=14, 552=25, 447=24, 513=11, 557=<15, 446=14, 464d=18, 456=18, 534=16, 449=31, 576=17, 710=36 and 712=>21 68-111Panel
DF13>FGC5496.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0By9Y3j ... sp=sharing

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:20 pm
MJost wrote:
J Man wrote:Your Celto-Germanic score is incredibly high MJost. I can't remember do you have recent Scandinavian ancestry in your background?


Hi JMan, glad your here!

MDLP has helped me identify and confirm my maternal side is Romanian/Hungarian as I suspected with a Maternal Haplogroup of H11a2 which I have previous determined is abundant in the same southeastern area in Europe. My GGgrandmother was b 1864 in WestPrussia (now Malbork, Poland) and I have discovered some distant autosomal relative their as well. This maternal fifth cousin 23andme match said "I know that the 'my' family originated in the town of Lidzbark-Warminski which is in West Prussia in the same area of Poland as Malbork. At some point before the 18th Century, though, the family moved to the south and west of Gdansk. They were farmers and later traders in export/import in Gdansk. They were Kashub (Cassubian, Kashubian)." It is not clear but Kashubians are descendants of the Slavic Pomeranian tribes, who had settled between the Oder and Vistula Rivers as per Wikipedia.

The Pomeranians (German: Pomoranen; Kashubian: Pòmòrzónie; Polish: Pomorzanie) were a group of West Slavic tribes who lived along the shore of the Baltic Sea between the mouths of the Oder and Vistula Rivers (the latter Farther Pomerania and Pomerelia). They spoke the Pomeranian language belonging to the Lechitic branch of the West Slavic language family. My GGgrandmother later married a Kruger in White Russia at around 20 years old. My maternal GGgrandparents came to America with five of their children. My maternal GGrandmother reports a Dutch parental line in the 1910 US census but with the H11a2 MtDNA, I have to believe that my GGgrandmother married into the NW european Dutch line.

Now my paternal side is NOT what I originally understood, German of my supposed biological father who also was from Western/Central Germany. I did not know that I wasnt a 'Jost' until my late 20's when my mother informed me that I was adopted by Jost upon my birth and told me who my real father was. His surname is solid German back to the old country. I accepted this until I tested my own DNA back in 2008 and realized I was seeing something else as a fact.

I have four half maternal brother who's father was NW German and I am always plotted closer to the Isles. My Latest Y-DNA match went GD5/67 and 8/111 and is from the Isle of Mann for as far back as they ever known. The first recorded record surname on the IOM is from 1417 AD. I have now a core of 27 haplotypes (25 to 111 markers) within my similar off-modal allele values cluster with has mostly Ireland based from around 500AD to Scotland 900-1100's and the IOM 1300-1400's and over to England around 1600-1700's. My Y-DNA matches are now GD13, 8, & 5 on 111 markers. Still looking for my own Y-SNP. I am 98% sure I am NOT Paternally German.

Here is my list of top Pop's out of 10 Runs:
K % Population
15 51.83% Celto-Germanic
14 51.53% Celto-Germanic
13 NA NA
12 55.76% Celto-Germanic
11 56.70% Celto-Germanic
10 56.81% British
9 45.39% West-European
8 45.13% West-European
7 48.78% West-Eurasian
6 48.68% West-Eurasian
5 47.96% West-Eurasian

MJost


Hi MJost I am glad to see you here as well! :)

I would say from looking at your results and family info that you seem to have inherited a lot of your Celto-Germanic score from your biological father. He may have had a lot of northern British Isles ancestry in his background. Also I think your mother probably contributed a decent amount of Celto-Germanic to you as well.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2012 11:25 pm
Jackson wrote:Sam,
With regard to Celto-Germanic average scores, do you refer to K12 or to K15? You mention an average of 35-40 for the UK. My score on K12 is 37.26, which may be par for the course with a largely Danelaw-based ancestry with some south-east English. Maybe the 40 and above category is more likely found in places like Shetland and Orkney?

What puzzles me is why your score is low, given your strong south-east English ancestry that contains some Danelaw? You plot very near to me on McDonald's BGA scattergram, bang in the English cluster well clear of Ireland, nearer to northern France. I would have thought that we were roughly the same level of Celto-Germanic admixture? Perhaps my also higher Paleo-North Euro scores of 1.30 on K12 and 1.23 on K15 indicate a little more Scandinavian input in my case or am I off the mark here?

Let me know your views- you are terribly perceptive about this sort of thing.


Hi Yorkie,

Apologies i was unclear, but i mean K=12 - Yeah that is a guesstimate based on what i've seen, but of course once enough people have done it, a real average would be invaluable. Yeah i think it's probably quite possible that 40 and above is very far-north-western people, i suppose many Irish and Scots, as well as Scandinavians (as Celtic and Germanic are placed together, they seem to get quite high Celto Germanic scores also). J Man, i hope you don't mind, but your mother scored very high in the Celto-Germanic category, where did you say McDonald placed her again - I remember it was quite northern though?

I think my low score is explained through both my exotic component, apparently primarily represented by the Caucasus component in this run, and i guess the Balto-Slavic subtracts from the Celto_Germanic, i'm guessing this component is similar to the East European in Dodecad and South_Baltic in Eurogenes - would seem consistent. I think we would have similar levels of Celto_Germanic if it was only northern European ancestry being included though.

Although we don't know the averages - Your Paleo_north Euro seems on the higher side - and if it is, the most logical explanation would be Danelaw considering your ancestry. Although it's noise level i suspect if it doesn't fluctuate wildly that it would be an indicator - and it would be consistent with findings on other calculators, so i don't see why it shouldn't be the case - although i would defer to Vadim or anyone who knows it better of course, but it would certainly make sense i'm sure. Also the Balto-Finnic could be quite useful - can't really remember well enough to make an estimate on the average for that at the moment, but i know i'm below average for that and above average for the more southern Baltic component as is usual, i'm not sure about yours, sign yourself up for a project when you get a chance! :]

It was interesting in the intra-north-euro run by Eurogenes lately, my western Euro score was quite low there, think i got about 14% below the UK average - while the components seem to be more iffy in that run than the traditional ones, it seems that probably my known ancestry is a bit more continental than the UK average already for whatever reason, so when you factor in my ancestry from abroad it seems to make sense! :)

I think mainly the reason for the difference in the Celto-Germanic is that you are more northern than me put quite simply (or north-western European), primarily due to my ancestry from the Near east/North Africa/Sephardic Jews, in addition to that my ancestry, as you rightly say, is primarily focused around the south-east, so i'm certain you would still come out slightly more northern, but very similar.

Kind Regards,
Sam Jackson[/quote]

Yes my mother has a very high Celto-Germanic score in both the K12 and K15 MDLP runs. Dr. McDonald placed her in Scotland on his map. All of her known ancestry is from Ireland with a few other lines from England and Wales but the Irish lines were pretty much all Protestant and have planter names. I have a feeling that some of our ancestors on her side of the family may have even come from northern Scotland before settling in Ireland based on her results.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 7:59 pm
Hi to all! DIYDodecad MDLP Apr. 2012 k=15 looks very interesting to me. However I was not able to find informations about the populations. I tried to draw them on an older admixture map I made for visualization of Dodecad populations. Could Vadim Verenich and others please comment if the assumed locations are generally correct?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 8:25 pm
Would be nice to know the origin of the highest frequencies of every group. "Paleo-North-European" looks on a "Saami way" to me.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:17 pm
[quote="ChrisR"]Hi to all! DIYDodecad MDLP Apr. 2012 k=15 looks very interesting to me. However I was not able to find informations about the populations. I tried to draw them on an older admixture map I made for visualization of Dodecad populations. Could Vadim Verenich and others please comment if the assumed locations are generally correct?
[quote]
NICE !!!

I am looking to understand how Iberian is associated as Western Mediterranean which is closest to what area, Celto-germanic?
148326 DF13** Celtic, Goidelic 111 Marker: GD1/67 & GD3/111 Watterson USA, Cook(UK/Scot Heritage) with a GD5/111, Codere(Watterson(McWalter))IOM GD8/111 and Ross Scotland GD13/111. Cluster 13*-1130-A1: 20 off-modals from L21.
Sorted slow to fast: 531=>12, 497=15, 511=11, 19=>15, 385a=12, 441=14, 552=25, 447=24, 513=11, 557=<15, 446=14, 464d=18, 456=18, 534=16, 449=31, 576=17, 710=36 and 712=>21 68-111Panel
DF13>FGC5496.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0By9Y3j ... sp=sharing

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:01 pm
ChrisR wrote:Hi to all! DIYDodecad MDLP Apr. 2012 k=15 looks very interesting to me. However I was not able to find informations about the populations. I tried to draw them on an older admixture map I made for visualization of Dodecad populations. Could Vadim Verenich and others please comment if the assumed locations are generally correct?
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That's a really interesting map! I guess now it just needs percentages when you have them.

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U5A
PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:20 pm
Mine from Brittany and W.Normandy:

MDLP15 DIY

Celto-Germanic 29.40%
Balto-Slavic 19.05%
Iberian 12.77%
Balkanic-1 10.27%
West-Mediterranean 9.51%
Caucasian 5.08%
East-Mediterranean 2.96%
Balto-Finnic 2%
Volga-Uralic 2%
South-Central-Asian 2.20%
Balkanic-2 1.33%
Paleo-North-European 1.65%
Uralic-Permic 1.78%
West-Altaic 0.00%
East-Altaic 0.00%

K12 (gedmatch)

Celto_Germanic 31.6%
East_European 19.9%
Iberian 15.5%
Paleo_Mediterranean 13.3%
Caucasian 6.6%
Balto_Finnic 3.6%
South_Central_Asian 2.7%
Uralic_Permic 1.9%
Volga_Uralic 1.9%
Paleo_North_European 1.6%
Paleo_North_European 1.6%
Altaic_Turkic 0.3%
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