Doug McDonald BGA results

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:38 am
Glad we agree here, Sam. There is nothing 'racist' about being interested in one's own culture. In my case, I never seek to imply 'superiority' about the Celto-Germanic heritage of the vast majority of British people, and nor do I ignore the presence of people in Britain who are not of that heritage. The fact is, multiculturalism has failed and it is not an easy task to arrive at a set of shared values that will unite the 'diverse' populations that largely occupy the inner-cities with the Celto-Germanic majority [about 94%] of the UK.

Re McDonald's BGA, yes I regard it as the most accurate autosomal analysis currently available. Certainly, Doug's plotting of my own data makes more sense than does 23andMe's analysis. The latter company need to urgently update their 'English' and 'Irish' samples. Doug's largely Kentish samples for the English seems to work well, as both mine and your scattergram results show.

Best regards ;)

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2012 11:51 pm
Mine: 75% from Brittany/W.Normandy, 25% unknown.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:43 pm
dreger wrote:Mine: 75% from Brittany/W.Normandy, 25% unknown.

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dreger,
Thanks for your results. I note that you and I are positioned almost the same on the PCA scattergram. This does not surprise me- you are largely Norman/Breton in descent and I am an Englishman with significant Norman ancestry. Your green spot is positioned similarly to mine too. ;)
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:07 pm
Here are my McDonald V2 BGA images back in March 2011.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0By9Y3jb ... BqQlE/edit

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0By9Y3jb ... NiQms/edit

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0By9Y3jb ... 85ZkE/edit

genome_Mark_Jost_Full_20091109095253.txt
Most likely fit is 37.0% (+- 8.5%) Europe (various subcontinents)
and 63.0% (+- 8.5%) Europe (all Northeast Europe)
which is 100% total Europe

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Tuscan= 0.359 Lithuani= 0.641
Italian= 0.387 Lithuani= 0.613
French= 0.401 Belorus= 0.599
Spain= 0.263 Belorus= 0.737
French= 0.536 Lithuani= 0.464
Italian= 0.269 Belorus= 0.731
Spain= 0.379 Lithuani= 0.621

And the average is the spot on the map, Germany.

But there seems to be a big surprise on the chromosomes:
native American. Is this possible ... it sure seems real but tiny.

MJost
148326 DF13** Celtic, Goidelic 111 Marker: GD1/67 & GD3/111 Watterson USA, Cook(UK/Scot Heritage) with a GD5/111, Codere(Watterson(McWalter))IOM GD8/111 and Ross Scotland GD13/111. Cluster 13*-1130-A1: 20 off-modals from L21.
Sorted slow to fast: 531=>12, 497=15, 511=11, 19=>15, 385a=12, 441=14, 552=25, 447=24, 513=11, 557=<15, 446=14, 464d=18, 456=18, 534=16, 449=31, 576=17, 710=36 and 712=>21 68-111Panel
DF13>FGC5496.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0By9Y3j ... sp=sharing

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:43 pm
MJost wrote:Here are my McDonald V2 BGA images back in March 2011.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0By9Y3jb ... BqQlE/edit

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0By9Y3jb ... NiQms/edit

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0By9Y3jb ... 85ZkE/edit

genome_Mark_Jost_Full_20091109095253.txt
Most likely fit is 37.0% (+- 8.5%) Europe (various subcontinents)
and 63.0% (+- 8.5%) Europe (all Northeast Europe)
which is 100% total Europe

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Tuscan= 0.359 Lithuani= 0.641
Italian= 0.387 Lithuani= 0.613
French= 0.401 Belorus= 0.599
Spain= 0.263 Belorus= 0.737
French= 0.536 Lithuani= 0.464
Italian= 0.269 Belorus= 0.731
Spain= 0.379 Lithuani= 0.621

And the average is the spot on the map, Germany.

But there seems to be a big surprise on the chromosomes:
native American. Is this possible ... it sure seems real but tiny.

MJost


Mjost,
I might be wrong but I think Doug did your BGA analysis before he updated his population set for the English cluster with samples from largely Kent and a few from Cornwall.

Re your native American bits- Peter Forster of Cambridge University regards anything under 2.5% as noise in his autosomal tests, if that helps?

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:16 am
Mother tests 100% English

There is a fairly big and probably real African spot on the chromosomes, in the
0.3% area.

Father
Most likely fit is 97.6% (+- 4.2%) Europe (all Western Europe)
and 2.4% (+- 4.2%) Europe (various subcontinents)
which is 100% total Europe

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Spain= 0.236 English= 0.764
English= 0.903 Sardinia= 0.097
Basque= 0.130 English= 0.870
French= 0.510 English= 0.490

The non-English parts of this are just moving the spot on the map
a bit south. The average is still in England.

In the map, my mother place Central/North England and father was Cornwall, England. Her African aligned perfectly with "Berber" in the short lived Eurogenes inclusion.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:17 am
Yorkie wrote:
Mjost,
I might be wrong but I think Doug did your BGA analysis before he updated his population set for the English cluster with samples from largely Kent and a few from Cornwall.

Re your native American bits- Peter Forster of Cambridge University regards anything under 2.5% as noise in his autosomal tests, if that helps?


I have most of my maternal siblings have similar NA% on their result at 23andme and family information that NA is from my GGGrandmother on my maternal side. So I agree with Doug.

I was presented his original version and then again in the version I just posted. I do not think I will ask again. I have particpated in two other projects and feel I have much great results. I dont expect to get updates or anything but it says alot for those projects who are using DIY systems as seen on Gedmatch. Does anyone know if Doug is entertaining that idea?

MJost
148326 DF13** Celtic, Goidelic 111 Marker: GD1/67 & GD3/111 Watterson USA, Cook(UK/Scot Heritage) with a GD5/111, Codere(Watterson(McWalter))IOM GD8/111 and Ross Scotland GD13/111. Cluster 13*-1130-A1: 20 off-modals from L21.
Sorted slow to fast: 531=>12, 497=15, 511=11, 19=>15, 385a=12, 441=14, 552=25, 447=24, 513=11, 557=<15, 446=14, 464d=18, 456=18, 534=16, 449=31, 576=17, 710=36 and 712=>21 68-111Panel
DF13>FGC5496.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0By9Y3j ... sp=sharing
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:37 am
Yorkie wrote:Mjost,
I might be wrong but I think Doug did your BGA analysis before he updated his population set for the English cluster with samples from largely Kent and a few from Cornwall.

Re your native American bits- Peter Forster of Cambridge University regards anything under 2.5% as noise in his autosomal tests, if that helps?



Yes-I sent my mother's data March 2011 and it said her green spot was in Wolfen Germany. I then resent her data in Nov 2011 and he had included English samples, which brought her green spot west a bit and put her on the Dutch/German border you can see in my earlier post. He said either could be correct but the English one is probably most likely.
3/4 British 1/4 unknown American (maternal side). Using DNA to work out the unknown bits!
Some kind of Eastern European ancestry it seems, including Hungarian Szekely (3 cousins all related to each other and my mother share same location/surnames in common).
Doug puts my mother on Dutch/German border and DIYDodecad mixed mode agrees! DIYDodecad admixture-13.5% Eastern European.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:33 pm
I noticed that Doug does not show Germany or Scandinavia on his PCA scattergram, so I emailed him to ask where I would plot in relation to these places, bearing in mind I am in the English cluster with a pull towards northern France and being of largely Danelaw ancestry. The good Dr McDonald kindly replied that I am 'right at the top of where nominal Germans are, and directly to the left of nominal Swedes'. There is some overlap between these places and England. Again, this seems accurate given my ancestry. I love this guy's work! :D

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 10:52 am
Yorkie wrote:I noticed that Doug does not show Germany or Scandinavia on his PCA scattergram, so I emailed him to ask where I would plot in relation to these places, bearing in mind I am in the English cluster with a pull towards northern France and being of largely Danelaw ancestry. The good Dr McDonald kindly replied that I am 'right at the top of where nominal Germans are, and directly to the left of nominal Swedes'. There is some overlap between these places and England. Again, this seems accurate given my ancestry. I love this guy's work! :D


Interesting! That there is still overlap is quite interesting, and that your in it is very useful as your ancestry is a known factor - I'm guessing therefore that is why there there is a big 'void' in the NW Euro 'blob' on Doug's chart, due to the lack of Germans and Scandinavians.

Kind Regards,
Sam Jackson
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