Who's your (proto) daddy Western Europeans?

General discussions regarding DNA and its uses in genealogy research

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R- Z2110 (KV7Y2)
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K1a1b1e/HQ176413
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:02 am
I don't reply to many things you said above, because I should say too much.
About the R-Z2103 in Iran (my haplogroup) I followed the discussion on "Eurogenes blog" about that. What does it mean 1 sample out of hundreds, not C14 dated, not deposited in public access?
1) We had F38 already there. Recent and come from Samara.
2) There has been a migration from Italy after the Younger Dryas to Middle East and also Iran, as the mt H32 found there, clearly from the Italian Refgium.
3) It seems to me that these Jews use the DNA as the gas (they know well this matter), see the Skripal case and what happens in Syria. Don't forget that an only one Satan II may annihilate all the Isles.

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MtDNA:
U5b2b
PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:44 am
Gioiello wrote:I don't reply to many things you said above, because I should say too much.
About the R-Z2103 in Iran (my haplogroup) I followed the discussion on "Eurogenes blog" about that. What does it mean 1 sample out of hundreds, not C14 dated, not deposited in public access?
1) We had F38 already there. Recent and come from Samara.
2) There has been a migration from Italy after the Younger Dryas to Middle East and also Iran, as the mt H32 found there, clearly from the Italian Refgium.


This thread is about the ancestors of western European R1b P312 and U106 because they are the majority YDNA groups today in western Europe. We know from the evidence that they were in the minority 5,000 ybp in western Europe and I don't know if one can say that Yfull's dates are wrong. P312 and U106 has not been found in a Neolithic context in any part of Europe yet.

The one Z2103 in Iran could have the wrong date and could be from the Balkans or Italy for that matter, but I think that the ancient Z2103 in the Yamnaya were migrants from the Caucasus or the Balkans.

Some posters like to twist the data to suit their ideology. They write that the 40-50 % CHG in the Yamnaya was through female migration and 15-30% Steppe in western Europeans was through male migration.

The same people ignore the fact that the Iberian origin Bell Beaker people were 50% female. Were the female BB buried with their weapons, bows and arrows, copper knives and wrist guards also?

And they ignore the facts also that there was a huge population expansion and migration during the Neolithic from the fertile crescent in all directions, and they had their own language or languages.

They ignore the fact also that haplogroup G (Caucasus origin) has been found in lots of Neolithic grave sites.

Thankfully they are a minority group who have tried to twist the facts to fit in with their personal ydna ancestral history and they seem like very insecure people. They are not their ancestors and where they were born today and the culture they were born in will not change nomatter where their ancestor originated.
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MtDNA:
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:48 am
https://en.natmus.dk/historical-knowled ... le-graves/

"Single burials were especially common in western Denmark and they have given their name to the period of “the Single Grave Culture”. Burials were situated in fairly small barrows.

The earliest burials (c. 2800-2600 BC) consisted of deep graves under a low mound. Later, in the period from 2600 to 2350 BC, new graves were often dug into an existing barrow. At the same time the barrow was enlarged. A fence of posts was erected around some barrows and children were buried in small cists at the outer edge of the mound."

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MtDNA:
U5b2b
PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:47 am
Gedmatch kit - sample name
Z905950 I1765_d Beaker_Britain
Z792075 I1767 Beaker_Britain
Z886401 I1770 Beaker_Britain
Z600869 I2417 Beaker_Britain
Z153380 I2418 Beaker_Britain
Z760891 I2443 Beaker_Britain
Z078388 I2445 Beaker_Britain
Z800113 I2446 Beaker_Britain
Z131879 I2447 Beaker_Britain
Z450619 I2450 Beaker_Britain
Z654972 I2452 Beaker_Britain
Z707403 I2453 Beaker_Britain
Z819290 I2454 Beaker_Britain
Z203798 I2455 Beaker_Britain
Z347682 I2459 Beaker_Britain
Z557300 I2565 Beaker_Britain
Z186583 I2566 Beaker_Britain
Z846057 I2566 Beaker_Britain
Z766963 I2568 Beaker_Britain
Z265493 I2598 Beaker_Britain
Z018758 I3255 Beaker_Britain
Z232917 I3256 Beaker_Britain
Z032359 I5367 Beaker_Britain
Z762603 I5376 Beaker_Britain
Z843361 I5379 Beaker_Britain
Z567475 I5382 Beaker_Britain
Z281565 I5385 Beaker_Britain
Z560295 I5471 Beaker_Britain
Z890194 I5512 Beaker_Britain
Z586131 I5513 Beaker_Britain
Z369442 I6679 Beaker_Britain
Z690341 I6774 Beaker_Britain
Z438359 I6775 Beaker_Britain
Z733360 I6777 Beaker_Britain

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MtDNA:
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 12:17 pm
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-43712587

Iron Age study targets British DNA mystery
"A project to sequence DNA from about 1,000 ancient remains could resolve a genetic mystery involving people from south-east Britain."

"For comparison, the total global data-set of DNA sequences from ancient human remains currently stands at about 1,400 individuals."

"Prof Reich said his team at Harvard currently had three working hypotheses to explain the result. While the Beakers replaced around 90% of the ancestry in Britain, it's possible that a pocket (or pockets) of Neolithic farmers held out in isolation somewhere for hundreds of years."

"During the Iron Age (which began around 3,000 years ago), they mixed back in with the general population, diluting the Beakers' genetic background with a type of ancestry that's now stronger around the Mediterranean than in Northern or Central Europe."

"Alternatively, the genetic data may be hinting at a separate migration from continental Europe during the Iron Age - perhaps one that brought Celtic languages into Britain"

I think that Prof. Reich is telling us that the Bell Beakers and the Celts were two different entities.
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