95% of DYS492=13 in R1b=U106 subhaplogroup

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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2017 10:42 am
The U106 in the Swedish Boat/Battle Axe is about 400 years older than the U106 in the Dutch (Rhenish) Bell Beaker culture. I already stated that U106 would be found in the Dutch BB and I was right. There were three times more P312 found in the DBB than U106, but today U106 is a larger group in the Netherlands, so they have expanded there since the BA.

The U106 that was found in the Swedish Boat/Battle Axe has no living descendants, get with the program.

Vucedol is not Proto Celto Italic. Vucedol is hypothetised to be proto Illyrian.

We have R1b Z2103 from there and it could be the origin place of Z2103. The Balkans is the most likely origin place of L23.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 23, 2018 12:01 pm
Dr McDonald's post about the Z156 found in the Únětice Culture.

"In the recent publication of the Olalde sample, it appears that several results have been modified (or even added) since the pre-print. The sample from the Hook of Holland has not changed. However, we now gain the additional U106+ sample of I7196.

The genealogical information reads:
"R1b1a1a2a1a1c1a:S265:14052313C->A; R1b1a1a2a1a1c1a:S498:19047132C->T; R1b1a1a2a1a1c:S263:7246726C->T; R1b1a1a2a1a1:M405:8796078C->T"
S265 = Z304; S498 = Z307; S263 = Z381 and M405 = U106
So the individual is:
U106 > Z2265 > BY30097 > Z381 > Z156 > Z306 > Z304
We will need to check within Z304 in the raw data to see if any more recent mutations are identifiable.

The grave record includes:
"I7196/Grave 59: 2200–1700 BCE. Right-sided crouched burial, head towards the south. Sex: orientation – ?, anthropology – ?, DNA – M. Age: adult (35–50 years). Grave goods: bronze hair ring, bone awl, flint industry."

The site record reads:
"Prague-Jinonice (“Zahradnictví”, Prague 5 – Jinonice, Czech Republic)
Contact person: Miroslav Dobeš, Petr Velemínský
The rescue excavations at the site Jinonice – Holman’s gardening took place in 1984-1986 during the construction of the subway [101–103]. A total of 29 graves were found, dated to the older phases of the Únětice culture on the basis of grave equipment (ceramic and bronze inventory) and burial ritual [103,104]. The skeletal remains of 36 individuals were found in the graves [105], with predominance of adults between 20-40 years of age. However, the burial ground was not excavated completely. With the exception of two graves, grave goods (mainly pottery) were found in all graves"
The site itself is in Jinonice in south-western Prague.

The current age I have for Z304 is:
R-Z304 2611 BC (95% confidence interval: 3208 BC — 2078 BC)
If U106 formed in the nascent Corded Ware culture, the date will be towards the end of this range.

Since I7196 is likely after this range, we can't really use this to constrain the age of this group, except to say that we must be roughly on the right track!

However, we can use this information in the origin of Z304 and, by implication, the spread of U106. We expect a large fraction of U106 to be associated with the Únětice culture, as the most significant culture in continental Europe during the second phase of U106's expansion. The area is on the easternmost realms of U106's distribution today, however ancient DNA suggests that it was more central to the U106 distribution at the time.

Z156, and Z304 in particular, are typically located towards the southern side of U106's distribution. This may mean they migrated there, or are simply representative of a Z18- L48- population that didn't participate wholesale in the expansion into Scandinavia. Thus, evidence is building that the origin of U106 and Z156 is rather closer to Prague and the surrounding area than previously thought.

Personally, my suspicions based on the aggregate knowledge we have are that U106 probably formed in the regions between Prague and the Baltic Sea, and that Z156 has an origin in the regions around Prague or into the surrounding regions of Germany, only spreading westwards towards the North Sea and British Isles in the various periods following the end of the Únětice culture, perhaps around 1500 BC. Of course, this needn't apply to every U106 or even Z156 line.

It will take some investigation and cogitation before the details become clear, but these are my first impressions."

Cheers,

Iain.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 08, 2018 1:03 pm
The U106 ancient dna sample in the Unetice culture has been given the S1894 subgroup status by some experts. There are some modern testers in the U106 dna project on page 9 who have the same status. Most of them are from Britain. That does not mean that the ancestors of the British testers came from the Czech Republic. All one can say at present is that they all had a common S1894 ancestor who lived before 2,000 BC. They will need to prove that there is a YSNP trail from the Czech Republic to Britain and how are they going to achieve that? Will they be able to do it using modern dna testers?

No modern U106 has been found that is linked to RISE98. Rise98 is a dead line and there are no modern lines linked to him or any of his cousins at that time. RISE98 had 5 unique YSNPs that none of the modern U106 have. One dna sample represents not just the tester but all of his cousins going back at least 150 years and perhaps beyond. Why are people discussing U106 at anthrogenica and coming up with all kinds of speculation about the U106 group based on an extinct line?!!!!

S1894 is 14 SNPs downstream of U106 .
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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2018 8:05 pm
Alex Williamson has put a post up about DA119 on the U106 forum.

"I have taken a look at DA119 as well. I now have a script that can run through the various mutations on my tree. Although coverage is definitely poor, it is better than some samples I've seen. I think I am happy concluding that he belongs to:"

R-M269 > U106/S21 > Z2265 > Z381/S263 > Z301/S499 > L48 > L47/S170 > Z160 > S3251 > S6915*




He is positive for:
Branch
Names
Reads
R-M269 > L23 > L51 > L151
L151 PF6542
1T
R-M269 > L23 > L51 > L151
L52 PF6541
2T
R-M269 > L23 > L51 > L151
P310 S129 PF6546
1C
R-M269 > L23 > L51 > L151
L11 S127 PF6539
1C
R-M269>U106/S21
S21 M405 U106
2T
R-M269>U106/S21>Z2265>Z381/S263>Z301/S499>L48>L47/S170
Z4713 S1933 AMM277
1A
R-M269>U106/S21>Z2265>Z381/S263>Z301/S499>L48>L47/S170>Z160
Z160
1C
R-M269>U106/S21>Z2265>Z381/S263>Z301/S499>L48>L47/S170>Z160
Z350
1A
R-M269>U106/S21>Z2265>Z381/S263>Z301/S499>L48>L47/S170>Z160
S378 Z158
1C
R-M269>U106/S21>Z2265>Z381/S263>Z301/S499>L48>L47/S170>Z160>S3251
S3251
1A
R-M269>U106/S21>Z2265>Z381/S263>Z301/S499>L48>L47/S170>Z160>S3251>S6915
BY1514 PH4355

https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-S6915/
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