Sorbs?

General discussions regarding DNA and its uses in genealogy research

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J1c3i
PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 3:20 pm
In my long quest to pin point my Polish mominlaw's roots, Vadim Verenich's new MDLP World calculator makes me wonder if it could be Sorb's- a Western Slavic people of Central Europe living predominantly in Lusatia, a region on the territory of Germany and Poland (from Wikipedia). Here are her results:


1 North_and_East_European 50.05
2 South_and_West_European 40.06
3 Caucaus_Parsia 7.03
4 Middle_East 0.72
5 Mesoamerican 0.71
6 North_Asian 0.48
7 Arctic_Amerind 0.36
8 Melanesian 0.31
9 Indian 0.23
10 Sub_Saharian 0.04
11 Paleo_African 0.01

1 Sorb 1.99
2 Belarusian_V 3.09
3 Swedish_V 3.39
4 Polish_V 3.97
5 Ukrainian-Center 4.4
6 Ukrainian 4.41
7 Ukrainian_V 4.47
8 Ukrainian-West 4.48
9 Russian_cossack 4.83
10 Slovakian 4.83
11 Ukrainian-East 4.94
12 Russian_South 5.06
13 Swedish 5.63
14 German-North 5.96
15 Polish 6.01
16 German 6.24
17 Czech 6.64
18 Norwegian_V 7.43
19 Russian_V 7.64
20 Russian_Center 7.81


1 59.8% Russian_South + 40.2% Norwegian_V @ 1.02
2 52.8% Russian_South + 47.2% Swedish @ 1.05
3 72% Russian_South + 28% Orcadian @ 1.09
4 51.3% Norwegian_V + 48.7% Russian_Center @ 1.19
5 69.8% Russian_South + 30.2% Welsh @ 1.22
6 62.2% Russian_Center + 37.8% Orcadian @ 1.25
7 63.2% Russian_Center + 36.8% British @ 1.25
8 57.3% Swedish_V + 42.7% Ukrainian-Center @ 1.29
9 73% Russian_South + 27% British @ 1.33
10 53.5% Ukrainian-East + 46.5% Swedish @ 1.33
11 60.5% Swedish_V + 39.5% Ukrainian-East @ 1.38
12 61% Russian_Center + 39% CEU @ 1.38
13 71.3% Russian_South + 28.7% CEU @ 1.43
14 59.6% Russian_Center + 40.4% Welsh @ 1.44
15 57% German-North + 43% Russian_Center @ 1.46
16 55.8% Norwegian_V + 44.2% Russian @ 1.46
17 54.4% Russian_South + 45.6% German-North @ 1.47
18 61.4% German-North + 38.6% Russian @ 1.48
19 59% Russian + 41% British @ 1.49
20 73% Belarusian_V + 27% Norwegian_V @ 1.51


Both her mother and father claimed 100% Polish and were from Northern Wisconsin towns with large Polish (and German) populations. Her ancestors came to Wisconsin sometime in the late 1800's, and much of the history of where in Poland they came from has been lost. Is this result enough to think Sorb could be real, or might it be an artifact of Polish and German lines mixing? Her mtdna is T2b7a1 and she is PL9 for Eurogenes and DOD867.

Sorbs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorbs
mtDNA: J1c3i
Husband/son: B1778 R-L226 Frawley from Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland
Grandpa: 259187 R-L21 DF13+ Griffith from Cardigan, Wales
M102536
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YDNA:
R-Y2914
MtDNA:
H1c9a
PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:46 pm
As I understand it, western Slavs includes Sorbs and Poles. There are some cultural difference, and this is mainly due to the fact that the term Sorb is most often used for those who are genetically (and culturally) Slavic while residing in German territories. Today, this would comprise regions in eastern Germany, such as Saxony and Berlin-Brandenburg, but, in past times, this would have included Silesia(cities such as Wroclaw and Poznan).

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