Another mtDNA H from the Italian Refugium?


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PostPosted: Mon May 06, 2013 5:25 am
Gioiello wrote:Of course the common ancestress of the Finland/Sweden sample and of the Italian one cannot be the same Margareta/Margherita: they have two different mutations in the Coding Region (C6340T T11944C) and the common ancestress probably lived many thousands of years ago.

If HQ593807 belongs to the same haplogroup for A11069G I’d say that the origin is probably in Italy.


It's possible that they could have each had one CR mutation during the last several hundred or few thousand years. Given the large number of shared CR mutations, I'd guess that they probably share a common maternal sometime within the last few thousand years. Just a funny coincidence about the names both spelled "Margareta".

I'd like to see much more than two samples from Italy before concluding that this group originated there, but it is certainly a possibility.
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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 10:15 am
Gioiello wrote:
GailT wrote:For sample HQ593807, where did you find Italian ancestry? It appears to be a sample submitted from a health study by Zaragoza et al. in California.


The "Veneto" sample is the sample submitted to GenBank, so it looks like one sample from Italy and one from Finland, and the Zaragoza sample.


That HQ593807 was of Italian ancestry (even though tested in California, but many Italian scholars were among the authors of the paper) is written in the released data and isn’t an addition of mine.



Is this data ( HQ593807 ) accepted by behar or whoever, even though it seems to be done for medical purposes.
And is it noted from where in Italy it originated?. It seems like a second-generation person that was tested.

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PostPosted: Tue May 07, 2013 3:01 pm
stoeni wrote:And is it noted from where in Italy it originated?


"We evaluated 29 patients referred to Dr Eloisa Arbustini at the Centre for Inherited Cardiovascular Diseases (CICD) in Pavia, Italy" (from the paper).
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:45 pm
Gioello is correct

H95a is an Italian marker ............most likely with my investigations leading it to be from the Friulian Alps ( Carnia/Carnic )

here is a site of all found .............you see only Italy or USA .......USA would be migrants from Europe

http://haplogroup.org/mtdna/rsrs/l12345 ... /h95/h95a/
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2017 7:12 pm
I have another Finn I link with in Ftdna having marker H95a

so currently it is 4 x North East Italians from Veneto, Trentino, Friuli and the carnian alps and 2 x finns/swedes
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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2017 10:45 pm
I have received another h95a match ...........another Swede with "west-prussian" associated as stated by them

surname Lassen ............also found in croatian islands and alpine italy

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PostPosted: Sat May 13, 2017 6:40 am
stoeni wrote:I have received another h95a match ...........another Swede with "west-prussian" associated as stated by them

surname Lassen ............also found in croatian islands and alpine italy


Of course the question is to understand if Italians derive from Eastern-Samara etc people, or if happened the other way around, and for answereing that we need much other tests in Italy. It is what I am working for from so long, also this time pretty against all.
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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2017 7:29 pm
Gioiello wrote:
stoeni wrote:I have received another h95a match ...........another Swede with "west-prussian" associated as stated by them

surname Lassen ............also found in croatian islands and alpine italy


Of course the question is to understand if Italians derive from Eastern-Samara etc people, or if happened the other way around, and for answereing that we need much other tests in Italy. It is what I am working for from so long, also this time pretty against all.


Italians in the north of italy derive from Gallic, eastern europe and ancient thracian areas in majority.............considering that gallic was in france and southern germany in ancient times , the natural migration of these Gallic would be north-italy

Thracians where pushed west into central europe by Iranic/west asian peoples


south italy is a different story

and central Italy are the true "pure" italian people

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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2017 8:52 pm
stoeni wrote:Italians in the north of italy derive from Gallic, eastern europe and ancient thracian areas in majority.............considering that gallic was in france and southern germany in ancient times , the natural migration of these Gallic would be north-italy
Thracians where pushed west into central europe by Iranic/west asian peoples
south italy is a different story
and central Italy are the true "pure" italian people


Some time ago I said to you that I dind't want to speak you again. After you wrote to me and I answered. I did my bad. This morning I have been to a Latin concourse for students as a Professor, and they had to translate a letter of Plinius the Young where he spoke of a friend of his from Brixia, thought a Celtic town, and he came from the actual Como in Lombardy, but he wrote "Brixia [...] ex illa nostra Italia". I don't want to say you more, but I consider you one of the most stupid persons whom Italy gave birth to, thus from now onward don't write anymore to me, because in the world of the future that I dream you would be amongst those people I'd want to see ad metalla et ad circenses.
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PostPosted: Mon May 15, 2017 5:52 am
Gioiello wrote:
stoeni wrote:Italians in the north of italy derive from Gallic, eastern europe and ancient thracian areas in majority.............considering that gallic was in france and southern germany in ancient times , the natural migration of these Gallic would be north-italy
Thracians where pushed west into central europe by Iranic/west asian peoples
south italy is a different story
and central Italy are the true "pure" italian people


Some time ago I said to you that I dind't want to speak you again. After you wrote to me and I answered. I did my bad. This morning I have been to a Latin concourse for students as a Professor, and they had to translate a letter of Plinius the Young where he spoke of a friend of his from Brixia, thought a Celtic town, and he came from the actual Como in Lombardy, but he wrote "Brixia [...] ex illa nostra Italia". I don't want to say you more, but I consider you one of the most stupid persons whom Italy gave birth to, thus from now onward don't write anymore to me, because in the world of the future that I dream you would be amongst those people I'd want to see ad metalla et ad circenses.


I do not want you to answer my posts, I never have wanted you to...............I said a very long time ago , that your knowledge of history is clouded and always wrong because of your ultra- nationalistic propaganda you where taught. Your mind is clouded like a fanatical religious person.
all wrong and always wrong.

I said once before, that you cannot be an Italian if you do not even know what the Italian constitution comprises of for what means to be italian............I will say again what the constitutions says - There are no Italians before 17 March 1861 ............the term Italians before this period is the same as the term British or Scandinavian , a geographical term.

Learn about the Italian constitution before making your rash statements ...................you can start to read with this jus sanguinis and then progress to the constitution.
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