Is HV0b Sephardic?


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YDNA:
R- Z2110 (KV7Y2)
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K1a1b1e/HQ176413
PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:03 pm
Why the last paper of Nogueiro et al., Echoes from Sepharad: signatures on the maternal gene pool of crypto-Jewish descendants, European Journal of Human Genetics, 30 July 2014, about the presumed Sephardic mt in Portugal is not convincing? Because they tested 57 people of Jewish descent. They got many haplotypes and they thought that were Jewish those not present or present at a lower percentage in the not Jewish people. This, firstly, would make us exclude like Jewish all the many others (and no one of the presumed Ashkenazic mt not recognized by the paper of Costa et al 2013 and for this criticized, but I have retained it true, seen also that this is what I am saying from years). Why is it not convincing that HV0b is a Sephardic mt? Just because it is present in 7 samples out of 57 in the Jewish people and not in the Iberian one? But hg HV0 is overwhelmingly European:

CRS 263 750 1438 2706 4769 7028 8860 15326
HV
HV0 T72C T16298C
14. EF660968(Italy) Gasparre HV0 04-JUL-2007
T195C A263G 315.1C A357C A750G A1438G A2706G A4769G G6962A C7028T A8706G A8860G A15326G T16298C
15. HM765457 Zaragoza HV0 01-AUG-2010
T72C T195C A263G 315.1C A750G A1438G A2706G A4769G T6776C C7028T A8014G A8860G C15324T A15326G T16298C
.. 23andMe('FBlabu') HV0
263G 750G 1438G 2706G 4769G 7028T 8723A 8860G 15326G 16291T 16298C 16368C
195
20. JN794568(English) FTDNA HV0b'c 12-OCT-2011
T72C T195C A263G 309.1C 315.1C A750G A1438G A2706G A4769G C7028T T8736C A8860G G15110A A15326G T16298C
HV0b 198
21. EF556192 Behar2008 HV0b 22-APR-2008
T72C T195C C198T A263G 309.1C 315.1C A750G A1438G A2706G A4769G C7028T A8520G A8860G A15326G T16298C
22. EF660977(Italy) Gasparre HV0b 04-JUL-2007
T72C T195C C198T A263G T310C C311T 315.1C A750G A1438G A2706G A2940- A4769G T6457C C7028T A8860G T11613C G15119A A15326G T16298C

HV0b is present all over Europe. This haplotype with HVRI and II (T72C T195C C198T A263G 315.1C T16298C) is present also in SMGF with 4 samples, 1 from Portugal (Jose), but the other from Netherlands (Teubel), Germany (Leibengath), Italy (Bonaveri). Of course we should have an FMS, we should read the paper which isn't for free, even though the Supplements are, etc etc. It is true that the Sephardic clusters have some mutations:
1) 8520 (EF556192)
2) 10644 (A2, A14, A16, A22, C4)
3) 11914 (C6)
4) 15951 (A7)
but this could be a founder effect within the Sephardic community and doesn't say anything about the far origin.

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