Also J2a1 from the Italian Refugium?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 9:07 am
Barella Lee wrote about his mtDNA on Anthrogenica. His doubt was if he were J2a1 as 23andMe classified him or not. His mt has been pretty completely tested from 23andMe. These are his data:
A73G C150T T152C A263G C295T T489C A750G A1438G A2706G T4216C T4688C A4769G C7028T C7476T A8860G A10398G A10499G A11251G G11377A G11719A A12612G G13708A A14133G C14766T G15257A C15452A C16069T T16126C
He is very close to the sample of J2a1 taken into account from Behar 2012b:
A73G C150T T152C T195C A263G C295T 309.1C 315.1C T489C A750G A1438G A2706G T4216C T4688C A4769G C7028T C7476T T8843C A8860G A10398G A10499G A11251G G11377A G11719A A12612G G13708A A14133G C14766T C14929T G15257A A15326G C15452A C16069T T16126C
Sample Id: MC2483 NCBI Id: JQ704041
Private Mutations: [A Personal or Private Mutation is a marker (SNP) you have that is not part of the defining markers list for this haplogroup.] C150T; T4688C; T8843C; C14929T;
Country: Ireland
Reference: Behar 2012b
Unfortunately 8843 and 14929, given like private mutations, aren't tested but he has C150T and T4688C. He has C195T, thus not the back mutation T195C! or a back mutation of the back mutation.
Anyway his haplotype seems an old J2a1*, perhaps from the Italian Refugium, as his ancestress comes from Tuscany.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 9:20 am
His case was already taken into account from Ian Logan, and we can see other private mutations of his:
J2a1 A14133G

1. JQ704041(Ireland) Behar J2a1 07-APR-2012
A73G C150T T152C T195C A263G C295T 309.1C 315.1C T489C A750G A1438G A2706G T4216C T4688C A4769G C7028T C7476T T8843C A8860G A10398G A10499G A11251G G11377A G11719A A12612G G13708A A14133G C14766T C14929T G15257A A15326G C15452A C16069T T16126C

... 23andMe('ashton') J2a1
73G 150T 152C 263G 295T 489C 750G 961C 1438G 2706G 4216C 4688C 4769G 7028T 7476T 8860G 10398G 10499G 11251G 11377A 11719A 12612G 13708A 14133G 14766T 15257A 15452A 16069T 16126C 16292T 16362G

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2014 9:49 am
Amongst the 1KGP we have in Tuscany also a J2a2b2:

A73G C150T T195C A263G C295T C456T T489C A750G A1438G A2706G T4216C A4769G T6671C C7028T C7476T A8860G A10398G A10499G A11002G A11251G G11377A G11719A A12570G A12612G T13015C G13708A T13830C C14766T G15257A A15326G C15452A A15679G C16069T T16126C A16241G

and a J2a1a1:

A73G C150T T152C T195C A215G A263G C295T T319C T489C G513A 514delC 515delA A750G A1438G A2706G T4216C A4769G C7028T C7476T G7789A A8860G G9612A A10398G A10499G A11251G G11377A G11719A A12612G G13708A A13722G A14133G C14766T G15257A A15326G C15452A C16069T T16126C G16145A T16189C T16231C C16261T
Last edited by Gioiello on Fri Sep 12, 2014 10:38 am, edited 1 time in total.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2014 10:27 am
Actually the Tuscan sample is a J2a1a1e for its back mutation in 16189. These are the samples in Behar 2012b:

Sample Id: MC1047 NCBI Id: JQ702605
Private Mutations: [A Personal or Private Mutation is a marker (SNP) you have that is not part of the defining markers list for this haplogroup.] C150T; A215G; T319C; T10604C; T16249C;
Topologically Missing: [A 'Missing' Mutation is a marker (SNP) that is part of the defining list of markers for this haplogroup that you do not have.] C16189T(L2'3'4'6);
Reference: Behar 2012b

Sample Id: MC4216 NCBI Id: JQ705774
Private Mutations: [A Personal or Private Mutation is a marker (SNP) you have that is not part of the defining markers list for this haplogroup.] 44.1C; C150T; C198T; A215G; T319C;
Topologically Missing: [A 'Missing' Mutation is a marker (SNP) that is part of the defining list of markers for this haplogroup that you do not have.] C16189T(L2'3'4'6);
Country: Poland
Reference: Behar 2012b

And these are the samples in Ian Logn spreadsheet:
J2a1a1e T16189C
106. JQ702605 Behar J2a1a1e 07-APR-2012
A73G C150T T152C T195C A215G A263G C295T 315.1C T319C T489C G513A C522- A523- A750G A1438G A2706G T4216C A4769G C7028T C7476T G7789A A8860G A10398G A10499G T10604C A11251G G11377A G11719A A12612G G13708A A13722G A14133G C14766T G15257A 15326G C15452A C16069T T16126C G16145A A16183- T16189C 16193.1C T16231C T16249C C16261T
107. JQ705774(Poland) Behar J2a1a1e 07-APR-2012
44.1C A73G C150T T152C T195C C198T A215G A263G C295T 309.1C 309.2C 315.1C T319C 489C G513A A750G A1438G A2706G T4216C A4769G C7028T C7476T G7789A A8860G A10398G A10499G A11251G G11377A G11719A A12612G G13708A A13722G A14133G C14766T 15257A A15326G C15452A C16069T T16126C G16145A A16182- A16183- T16189C 16193.1C 16193.2C T16231C C16261T
108. JQ797908(Lithuania) Pala J2a1a1e 22-MAY-2012
A73G C150T T152C T195C A215G A263G C295T 309.1C 315.1C T319C T489C G513A A750G A1438G A2706G T4216C A4769G T6152C C7028T C7476T G7789A A8860G A10398G A10499G A11251G G11377A G11719A A12612G G13708A A13722G A14133G A14587G C14766T G15257A A15326G C15452A C16069T T16126C G16145A T16189C T16231C C16261T
109. JQ797909(Israel) Pala J2a1a1e 22-MAY-2012
A73G C150T T152C T195C A215G A263G C295T 309.1C 309.2C 315.1C T319C T489C G513A A750G A1438G A2706G C3306T T4216C A4769G C7028T C7476T G7789A A8860G A10398G A10499G A11251G G11377A C11512T G11719A G11914A A12612G G13708A A13722G A14133G T14302C T14316C C14766T G15257A A15326G C15452A C16069T T16126C G16145A T16189C 16193.1C T16231C C16261T
110. JQ797910(Crete) Pala J2a1a1e 22-MAY-2012
A73G C150T T152C T195C C198T A215G A263G C295T 315.1C T319C T489C G513A A750G A1438G A2706G T4216C A4769G C7028T C7476T G7789A G8697A A8860G A10398G A10499G A11251G G11377A G11719A A12612G G13708A A13722G A14133G C14766T G15257A A15326G C15452A C16069T T16126C G16145A A16183- T16189C 16193.1C T16231C C16261T T16519C
111. JX297144(NAE051-Spain) Cardoso2013 J2a1a1e 10-JUL-2013
A73G C150T T152C T195C A215G A263G C295T 309.1C 309.2C 315.1C T319C T489C G513A A750G A1438G A2706G T4216C A4769G C7028T C7476T G7789A A8860G A10398G A10499G A11251G G11377A G11719A A12612G G13708A A13722G A14133G C14766T G15257A A15326G C15452A C16069T T16126C G16145A T16189C 16193.1C 16193.2C T16231C C16261T
112. KF161472(Denmark) Li J2a1a1e 01-OCT-2013
A73G C150T T152C T195C A215G A263G C295T T310C T319C T489C C509T G513A C522- A523- A750G A1438G A2706G T4216C A4769G C7028T C7476T G7789A A8832G A8860G A10044G A10398G A10499G A11251G G11377A C11512T G11719A G11914A A12140G T12375C A12612G G13708A A13722G A14133G T14316C C14766T G15257A A15326G C15452A A15534G C16069T T16126C G16145A A16183- T16189C 16193.1C T16231C C16261T A16269G C16286T
113. KF162921(Denmark) Li J2a1a1e 01-OCT-2013
A73G C150T T152C T195C A215G A263G C295T T310C T319C T489C G513A A750G A1438G A2706G T4216C A4769G C7028T C7476T G7789A C8270T A8860G G9025A A10398G A10499G A11251G G11377A G11719A A12612G G13708A A13722G A14133G C14766T G15257A A15326G C15452A C16069T T16126C G16145A T16189C T16231C C16261T

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