The expansion of K1a1b1e from the Italian Refugium


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Joined: Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:08 am
Location: Pisa (Italy)
YDNA:
R- Z2110 (KV7Y2)
MtDNA:
K1a1b1e/HQ176413
PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 9:15 pm
I was waiting that the unique person who matches my K1a1b1e at a GD of 1 from the FTDNA people tested, i.e. who has the haplogroup with no other mutation out of the mutation of the K1a1b1e (G9932A) and who could say something about the probable origin of this hapologroup, answered my request, but in vain.
But the publication of the samples from the HGDP has answered my question:

KJ445998(HGDP01163-Italian) Zheng Haplogroup K1a1b1e 26-APR-2014
A73G A263G C497T A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G C3107N A3480G A4769G C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C G9932A A10398G A10550G T11299C A11467G A11470G G11719A G11914A A12308G G12372A C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G A15924G T16224C T16311C T16519C

and that sample is from Italy, as my hypothesis was. C3107N has no meaning of course.

Posts: 2189
Joined: Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:08 am
Location: Pisa (Italy)
YDNA:
R- Z2110 (KV7Y2)
MtDNA:
K1a1b1e/HQ176413
PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 9:52 am
Hi Sue, the best paper about our haplogroup is that of Costa’s et alii 2013, a paper about the Ashkenazi’s mt (where our sister clade K1a1b1a is a large part of them), which demonstrated that at least 90% (but probably even more) of the Ashkenazi’s mt are from European descent. Of course Jews tried to make that that paper weren’t published, and I, who am saying that from many years, have been banned from all the sites controlled from Jews or FTDNA, which is owned from Jews and linked to Jewish scholars and the same Israeli politics.
Behar 2012b (a Jewish scholar who used the data of FTDNA for his reassessment of the mt tree, saying that he tested them again in Israel, actually using our data paid by us at FTDNA) gives to K1a1b1e an age of
K1a1b1e 5905.0 5697.6
i.e. 5905.0 years +/- 5697.6, i.e. our haplogroup may be old from 0 to 10000 years. Of course this is unlikely. The fact is that there are haplotypes with a few mutations and others with many, and these scholars calculate the media. Why I think that its origin is in Italy and specifically in Tuscany? Not only because I am a Tuscan, but because there are many different haplotypes here, some with a few mutations and others with many. De facto the basal haplotype, that with only the mutation in 9932A of the hg. K1a1b1e from K1a1b1* is owned from Diana Rita Melegrito, a lawyer from California with a Mexican surname and who didn’t answer my letter for an year and half (but meanwhile another Tuscan basal haplotype was published), and, when she answered, I knew that her maternal origin came from Sicily, thus very likely a woman migrated from Pisa to Sicily after the Florentine conquest of Pisa (1406). From the basal haplotype I have the mutation in T11204C, whereas the large part of the English men and women have the mutation in T477C, thus they derive from the basal haplotype or from an haplotype which had already had this mutation when very likely migrated to the Isles. Of course only the aDNA could say something more careful about that, but I think that the origin in Tuscany may be given as demonstrated.
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