Also K1a2 from the Italian Refugium?


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 8:20 am
Gioiello wrote:
Diana wrote:Hello Gioiello,

You can add one more Italian to K1a2!!


Many thanks, but let us know your results (in rCRS).


This sample from Italy with 153G was already known from Behar 2102b.


Sample Id: MC3351
Unresolved Options:
Verified
Partial Descendants:
Private Mutations: [A Personal or Private Mutation is a marker (SNP) you have that is not part of the defining markers list for this haplogroup.] A153G 309.1C 315.1C 522.1A 522.2C C4677T A4913G G6305c
Topologically Missing: [A 'Missing' Mutation is a marker (SNP) that is part of the defining list of markers for this haplogroup that you do not have.] C146T
Country: Italy
Geography:
Ancestry:
Reference:
Contact:
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YDNA:
U152-Z56-Z146
MtDNA:
K1a2
PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 11:20 am
Revised Cambridge Reference Sequence
HVR1 REFERENCE SEQUENCE
Show All Positions
Position CRS Your Result
16224 T C
16311 T C
16519 T C
HVR2 REFERENCE SEQUENCE
Show All Positions
Position CRS Your Result
73 A G
146 T C
153 A G
263 A G
309.1 C
315.1 C
497 C T
CR REFERENCE SEQUENCE
Show All Positions
Position CRS Your Result
750 A G
1189 T C
1438 A G
1811 A G
2706 A G
3480 A G
4677 C T
4769 A G
4913 A G
6305 G C
7028 C T
8860 A G
9055 G A
9698 T C
10398 A G
10550 A G
11025 T C
11299 T C
11467 A G
11719 G A
12308 A G
12372 G A
14167 C T
14766 C T
14798 T C
15326 A G
Gioiello wrote:
Diana wrote:Hello Gioiello,

You can add one more Italian to K1a2!!


Many thanks, but let us know your results (in rCRS).

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:14 pm
These are your results, which match completely the sample I posted above: MC3351 of Behar 2012b, but this sample wasn't present in the first publication and it has been added later. The things are two: either you have found a perfect match or actually MC3351 is your sample. In the past many times I denounced the link between FTDNA and Behar and how Behar uses the FTDNA clones. The same I said in the past about data that Vincent Vizachero used.
Anyway I, with no means, won about the European origin of hg. K and am waiting to win also on the rest.

A73G T146C A153G A263G 309.1 C 315.1 C C497T A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G C4677T A4769G A4913G G6305c C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11025C T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16224C T16311C T16519C

P.S. It seems that as to MC3351 you lack 522.1A 522.2C, but there are many uncertainties about these markers.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 2:14 pm
Gioiello wrote:These are your results, which match completely the sample I posted above: MC3351 of Behar 2012b, but this sample wasn't present in the first publication and it has been added later. The things are two: either you have found a perfect match or actually MC3351 is your sample. In the past many times I denounced the link between FTDNA and Behar and how Behar uses the FTDNA clones. The same I said in the past about data that Vincent Vizachero used.
Anyway I, with no means, won about the European origin of hg. K and am waiting to win also on the rest.

A73G T146C A153G A263G 309.1 C 315.1 C C497T A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G C4677T A4769G A4913G G6305c C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11025C T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16224C T16311C T16519C

P.S. It seems that as to MC3351 you lack 522.1A 522.2C, but there are many uncertainties about these markers.



Thank you. The previous is not my sample so maybe I have a match. I didn't think I had a match. I was told I have 3 seperate mutations. Who is this person? My Nonna Anna was born in Abruzzo.. We are are pro creators! Anna had 10 children, 8 of them females.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 2:34 pm
Gioiello wrote:These are your results, which match completely the sample I posted above: MC3351 of Behar 2012b, but this sample wasn't present in the first publication and it has been added later. The things are two: either you have found a perfect match or actually MC3351 is your sample. In the past many times I denounced the link between FTDNA and Behar and how Behar uses the FTDNA clones. The same I said in the past about data that Vincent Vizachero used.
Anyway I, with no means, won about the European origin of hg. K and am waiting to win also on the rest.

A73G T146C A153G A263G 309.1 C 315.1 C C497T A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G C4677T A4769G A4913G G6305c C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11025C T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16224C T16311C T16519C

P.S. It seems that as to MC3351 you lack 522.1A 522.2C, but there are many uncertainties about these markers.

Hi Gioiello and Diane,

This is a mystery. I note on mtDNACommunity that MC3351 does not list a GenBank accession number. Gioiello, do you know if it's on GenBank? Do you know when it was added to mtDNACommunty? Diane only got the results yesterday afternoon; I'm sure she heard about it from me first. She has NO FMS matches, even out to three steps. Diane, did you add your results to mtDNACommunity yesterday or today - or not?

Gioello, there is no difference with the insertions. MC uses RSRS; Diane's post uses rCRS. RSRS always shows one more set of the insertions than rCRS.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:12 pm
Bill Hurst wrote:
Gioiello wrote:These are your results, which match completely the sample I posted above: MC3351 of Behar 2012b, but this sample wasn't present in the first publication and it has been added later. The things are two: either you have found a perfect match or actually MC3351 is your sample. In the past many times I denounced the link between FTDNA and Behar and how Behar uses the FTDNA clones. The same I said in the past about data that Vincent Vizachero used.
Anyway I, with no means, won about the European origin of hg. K and am waiting to win also on the rest.

A73G T146C A153G A263G 309.1 C 315.1 C C497T A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G C4677T A4769G A4913G G6305c C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11025C T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16224C T16311C T16519C

P.S. It seems that as to MC3351 you lack 522.1A 522.2C, but there are many uncertainties about these markers.

Hi Gioiello and Diane,

This is a mystery. I note on mtDNACommunity that MC3351 does not list a GenBank accession number. Gioiello, do you know if it's on GenBank? Do you know when it was added to mtDNACommunty? Diane only got the results yesterday afternoon; I'm sure she heard about it from me first. She has NO FMS matches, even out to three steps. Diane, did you add your results to mtDNACommunity yesterday or today - or not?

Gioello, there is no difference with the insertions. MC uses RSRS; Diane's post uses rCRS. RSRS always shows one more set of the insertions than rCRS.



Hello Bill,

Yes I did I did hear from you first and have done what you have advised me to do all accept genebank... I uploaded my results to MtDNA community yesterday. :-) What now?

Thank you!!
Last edited by Diana on Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:21 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:17 pm
Hi Mr Hurst. Probably the mystery isn't a mystery if you read carefully what I wrote:

In the past many times I denounced the link between FTDNA and Behar and how Behar uses the FTDNA clones. The same I said in the past about data that Vincent Vizachero used.
Anyway I, with no means, won about the European origin of hg. K and am waiting to win also on the rest.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:45 pm
Gioiello wrote:Hi Mr Hurst. Probably the mystery isn't a mystery if you read carefully what I wrote:

In the past many times I denounced the link between FTDNA and Behar and how Behar uses the FTDNA clones. The same I said in the past about data that Vincent Vizachero used.
Anyway I, with no means, won about the European origin of hg. K and am waiting to win also on the rest.



Hello Gioiello,

I don't understand the link... That was before my time I think...Prior to me even testing MtDNA. So, I have a match or do I not have a match. Are you dissapointed for the K1a2 result? Is K1a21 younger or older then K1a2? Do you think K1a2 it could have originated in Spain?

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 4:56 pm
Diana wrote:
Bill Hurst wrote:
Gioiello wrote:These are your results, which match completely the sample I posted above: MC3351 of Behar 2012b, but this sample wasn't present in the first publication and it has been added later. The things are two: either you have found a perfect match or actually MC3351 is your sample. In the past many times I denounced the link between FTDNA and Behar and how Behar uses the FTDNA clones. The same I said in the past about data that Vincent Vizachero used.
Anyway I, with no means, won about the European origin of hg. K and am waiting to win also on the rest.

A73G T146C A153G A263G 309.1 C 315.1 C C497T A750G T1189C A1438G A1811G A2706G A3480G C4677T A4769G A4913G G6305c C7028T A8860G G9055A T9698C A10398G A10550G T11025C T11299C A11467G G11719A A12308G G12372A C14167T C14766T T14798C A15326G T16224C T16311C T16519C

P.S. It seems that as to MC3351 you lack 522.1A 522.2C, but there are many uncertainties about these markers.

Hi Gioiello and Diane,

This is a mystery. I note on mtDNACommunity that MC3351 does not list a GenBank accession number. Gioiello, do you know if it's on GenBank? Do you know when it was added to mtDNACommunty? Diane only got the results yesterday afternoon; I'm sure she heard about it from me first. She has NO FMS matches, even out to three steps. Diane, did you add your results to mtDNACommunity yesterday or today - or not?

Gioello, there is no difference with the insertions. MC uses RSRS; Diane's post uses rCRS. RSRS always shows one more set of the insertions than rCRS.



Hello Bill,

Yes I did I did hear from you first and have done what you have advised me to do all accept genebank... I uploaded my results to MtDNA community yesterday. :-) What now?

Thank you!!

So, mystery solved. Diane uploaded results to mtDNA Community yesterday and there they are as MC3351. She has no match. Dr. Behar has nothing to do with this. The results are not yet on GenBank.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:31 pm
So, mystery solved. Diane uploaded results to mtDNA Community yesterday and there they are as MC3351. She has no match. Dr. Behar has nothing to do with this. The results are not yet on GenBank.[/quote]


Oh, I am MC3351, I didn't even know...??? So confused. I don't see that anywhere on mtDNA community..
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