YFull YReport

Any discussions regarding y-DNA markers, results or questions.
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Location: Russia
YDNA:
R1a [CTS3402]
MtDNA:
U4a2g (FMS)
PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:52 am
We present little feature - "YReport". You can sharing this report for your freinds anytime.
For example - http://www.yfull.com/share/yreport/e9b3 ... 6b67de958/

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YDNA:
Adam-L74; R1a-YP4700
MtDNA:
H14a
PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 8:03 am
Semargl wrote:We present little feature - "YReport". You can sharing this report for your freinds anytime.
For example - http://www.yfull.com/share/yreport/e9b3 ... 6b67de958/

Dear Vlodimir
Many thanks for this report!
Wish I had not seen him.
I have a question: Is there report included the private SNP? As there are numerous?
How many other reports are SNP below Z280?

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Location: Pisa (Italy)
YDNA:
R- Z2110 (KV7Y2)
MtDNA:
K1a1b1e/HQ176413
PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 10:40 am
Semargl wrote:We present little feature - "YReport". You can sharing this report for your freinds anytime.
For example - http://www.yfull.com/share/yreport/e9b3 ... 6b67de958/


In the R1a line it is interesting to see that we find PF SNPs (i.e.found by Paolo Francalacci in the Sardinian pool) till R-Z283, thus probably the most recent lines downstream weren't detected in Italy (i.e. in Sardinia, thus old Italian pool). But it is also interesting to note that the PF SNPs detected pretty all the SNPs known so far in the upstream haplotypes.

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YDNA:
Adam-L74; R1a-YP4700
MtDNA:
H14a
PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 12:44 pm
The YFull YReport gives only results of the test by FGC (eg Y-Elite).
I would like to know only the private SNPs of the testing.
I suppose that is an average of about 18 SNP

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YDNA:
Adam-L74; R1a-YP4700
MtDNA:
H14a
PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2014 9:13 am
Atim, if R1a* and R1b* came out from R1* they have to have the same ancientness.
------ Gioiello, of course. About this I know. Here I am trying to get someone to explain why it is so great a difference in the amount of SNP on the tree Yfull: Ra1 and R1b - 300 and 60 respectively.


Why R1a has 152 SNPs (it seemed a few days ago that they were 153),
------ Gioiello, probably because 152 SNPs, and not 153, that M459 was moved to a lower level - as the common ancestor for the lower level: for R1a1 (see. ISOGG).

R-M198 has 45 SNPs ?
------ Yes, the M178 has 5 SNPs probably for the M417, which on Yfull he was 23, and now has 29. The change took place in those days.

Actually we know that the R1a isn't an R1a-M420* but an R1a-M459*, i.e. Shpakovski
--------- M420 is still in the group R1a! The symbol of this group may be any number from 152 SNP.
M459 is not of Szpakowski, but unsorted for both branches, for him and M198.

but I don't understand why in YFull R1a-M420 has 152 SNPs ... and Shpakovski has 179 SNPs:
------ it is a very line of Shpakovski like parallel to the M198 and M417. Both have a common ancestor only !!!

Unfortunately Semargl published the SNPs of R1a but not those of R1b, but they should be pretty the same in their numbers. Also your "Tabela eksperymentalna" lacks the R1b SNPs after R1-M173.
------ That's fine. Because R1b is a line parallel to R1a. Do not mix. They only have a common ancestor - R1.

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YDNA:
Adam-L74; R1a-YP4700
MtDNA:
H14a
PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:20 pm
Atim wrote:
Semargl wrote:We present little feature - "YReport". You can sharing this report for your freinds anytime.
For example - http://www.yfull.com/share/yreport/e9b3 ... 6b67de958/

Dear Vlodimir
Many thanks for this report!
Wish I had not seen him.
I have a question: Is there report included the private SNP? As there are numerous?
How many other reports are SNP below Z280?

Semargl wrote that below R-Y3220 has 16 high-quality private SNPs. Thanks!
Also wrote that all SNPs below R1, i.e. in the R1a haplogroup, he has 298 (testing by FGC)

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Location: Paris region
YDNA:
G2a2b2a1b1a2a-CT4803
MtDNA:
H2a2a1 (rCRS)
PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 4:56 pm
I computed the number of SNP in the R haplotree of Yfull http://www.yfull.com/tree/R/

- R1a (under 26 in level R and 44 in level R1, total 70), I counted for 2 lineages
in R-M458 sub-branch, for the terminall R-Y2914/FGC1247 I counted 285 SNPs since the split R1a/R1b.
in R-Z280 sub-branch, for the terminal R-FGC19283 I counted 281 SNPs since the split R1a/R1b.

- R1b (under 26 in level R and 44 in level R1, total 70), I counted for 1 lineage which seems to contain the most of SNPs.
in R-L21 sub-branch, for the terminal R-Y7081 I counted 100 SNPs since the split R1a/R1b.

- in R2 (under 26 in level R) , for the terminal R-L1069 I counted 247 SNPs since the split R1/R2.

From the split R/Q there are 2 lineages R1a with 355 SNPs and 351 SNPs, the longest R1b lineage with 170 SNPS and a R2 lineage with 273 SNPs.

The smaller number for R2 compared to R1a can be easily explained because there have been a lot less test from R2 .

On the other hand the very weak number for R1b is very strange. ISOGG gives 41 SNPs for the level R-M269 and yfull only 7. It makes hard to retrace the history of R1b
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MtDNA:
U5b2b
PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 6:21 pm
palamede wrote:I computed the number of SNP in the R haplotree of Yfull http://www.yfull.com/tree/R/

- R1a (under 26 in level R and 44 in level R1, total 70), I counted for 2 lineages
in R-M458 sub-branch, for the terminall R-Y2914/FGC1247 I counted 285 SNPs since the split R1a/R1b.
in R-Z280 sub-branch, for the terminal R-FGC19283 I counted 296 SNPs since the split R1a/R1b.

- R1b (under 26 in level R and 44 in level R1, total 70), I counted for 1 lineage which seems to contain the most of SNPs.
in R-L21 sub-branch, for the terminal R-Y7081 I counted 100 SNPs since the split R1a/R1b.

- in R2 (under 26 in level R) , for the terminal R-L1069 I counted 247 SNPs since the split R1/R2.

From the split R/Q there are 2 lineages R1a with 355 SNPs and 364 SNPs, the longest R1b lineage with 170 SNPS and a R2 lineage with 273 SNPs.

The smaller number for R2 compared to R1a can ve esily explained because there hve been a lot less test from R2 .

On the other hand the very weak number for R1b is very strange. ISOGG gives 41 SNPs for the level R-M269 and yfull only 7. It makes hard to retrace the history of R1b


I make 133 SNPs at present for R1b from the FTDNA tree plus an average of 36 from the Big-Y tests which is a total of 169. There has to be a lot more upstream SNPs to be added to the tree from all the Big-Y test results. One tester reckoned there were another 40 SNPs above P312 that are not yet on the tree.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 7:44 pm
I'm trying to understand the considerable difference in equivalent SNP numbers for the haplogroups from R1b-M343 to R1b-P311 between ISOGG and YFull:
http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_HapgrpR.html
http://www.yfull.com/tree/R1b/
ISOGG has 57 SNPs and for YFull I count only 28.
So since Dec. 2014 there was no update at this levels of the YFull tree?
DNA/Admixture Central Europe (Alps, Tyrol, Dolomites, Raetia); Y-DNA J2a-L1064, J2a-L210, R1a-M17, R1b-U106 (L48-); mtDNA J1b1b, J1c1d, U5a2b2, U5b1b1. Projects : J2-M172, J2a-PF5197, Alpine DNA, ISOGG Wiki

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2015 8:20 pm
ChrisR wrote:So since Dec. 2014 there was no update at this levels of the YFull tree?

My impression (based on observation of other parts of the tree) is that YFull does not put great effort into a tree portion unless/until customers submit BAM files pertinent to that region. Thus, we really need R-M73 and R-V88 men to order the Big Y and then submit their BAM files.

One R-M73 man ordered the Big Y in December.
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