Sintashta Ydna -R1a

Any discussions regarding y-DNA markers, results or questions.

Posts: 130
Joined: Fri Mar 08, 2013 5:36 pm

YDNA:
R1b
MtDNA:
U5
PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 4:03 pm
Sintashta-R1a-Z93 94.

Posts: 2323
Joined: Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:08 am
Location: Pisa (Italy)
YDNA:
R- Z2110 (KV7Y2)
MtDNA:
K1a1b1e/HQ176413
PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 5:04 pm
Of course, very likely they were the ancestors of Indo-Arians who migrated to India, as I think having demonstrated from some words linked to Sanskrit entered the Uralic languages and also some Altaic ones, as *si/e/asara in Proto-Uralic, if da *swesor demonstrated that e/o/a became /a/ as in Sanskrit.

Posts: 130
Joined: Fri Mar 08, 2013 5:36 pm

YDNA:
R1b
MtDNA:
U5
PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 6:19 pm
Gioiello wrote:Of course, very likely they were the ancestors of Indo-Arians who migrated to India, as I think having demonstrated from some words linked to Sanskrit entered the Uralic languages and also some Altaic ones, as *si/e/asara in Proto-Uralic, if da *swesor demonstrated that e/o/a became /a/ as in Sanskrit.

R1b branches are 500-600 years older, than R1a-645 using the same platform/method of calculating as as yfull tree.
R1b-Z2103 formed 6300 ybp, TMRCA 6100 ybpinfo
Even our branch R1b-Z2110 is formed 6100 ybp, TMRCA 6100 ybpinfo
R1a-Z645 is formed 5500 ybp, TMRCA 5000 ybpinfo
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R1a/

The idea behind Ratha in Sanskrit is a cart with 4 wheels- and a space for 3 or more; like the ones found in Yamnaya.
https ://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratha

Image

Posts: 2323
Joined: Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:08 am
Location: Pisa (Italy)
YDNA:
R- Z2110 (KV7Y2)
MtDNA:
K1a1b1e/HQ176413
PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 6:39 pm
Silesian, perhaps you know that I don't agree with YFull in that. My haplotype, tested from Full Genome, is 7200 years old, and I think that YFull dates are underestimated for an 1.17 factor, as also the separation from A00 and subclades at 275000 and not 235900 ya (as to Poznik). YFull dates are biased from the overwhelming Big Y with 14000 no calls on average as to my 500 now (they are 20 : 1 as to Full Genome). aDNA will say who is right and who is wrong.

Posts: 130
Joined: Fri Mar 08, 2013 5:36 pm

YDNA:
R1b
MtDNA:
U5
PostPosted: Sat Nov 05, 2016 7:38 pm
I'm easy going as the data comes in. Since you have been correct about Italian R1b 14k+/- I will give you benefit of doubt. What I wonder is if the Sintashta settlements were built on top of an earlier culture of R1b. All the R1b clades are older and maybe are stratified/buried under R1a settlements. Of course Italian R1b is by far the oldest without any doubt. Here is a breakdown of R1a/b in the region, was this an area originally R1b from the West; then R1a came from West, and went on into South Asia? Image
Image

Posts: 2323
Joined: Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:08 am
Location: Pisa (Italy)
YDNA:
R- Z2110 (KV7Y2)
MtDNA:
K1a1b1e/HQ176413
PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 4:46 am
Here is a breakdown of R1a/b in the region, this was an area originally R1b from the West; then R1a came from West, and went on into South Asia.

Return to y-DNA Discussions

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest