Terminal DF5+/S191+ people


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YDNA:
DF5+/S191+
MtDNA:
U5a1a1
PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:28 pm
At least for the time being, I am stopped at DF5. I am wondering if anyone else shares that terminus with me?

-Griff
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YDNA:
R-L21+, L226+
PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:03 pm
Griff wrote:At least for the time being, I am stopped at DF5. I am wondering if anyone else shares that terminus with me?

-Griff


I assume that you have tested for L658 and L627 or feel comfortable that you do not match their fingerprints ?

Also, Z248 is currently redundant with DF5 and is worth a try. Z248 may be later proved to be a father or son of DF5.

According to Mike W's L21 spreadsheet, there was 45 DF5* submissions. You should poke around his DF5 signatures
and see where (and if) you fit into one of his DF5 signatures. There is also another ten L658 submissions and
another ten L627 submissions.

Posts: 15
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YDNA:
DF5+/S191+
MtDNA:
U5a1a1
PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 8:18 pm
Robert Casey wrote:
Griff wrote:At least for the time being, I am stopped at DF5. I am wondering if anyone else shares that terminus with me?

-Griff


I assume that you have tested for L658 and L627 or feel comfortable that you do not match their fingerprints ?

Also, Z248 is currently redundant with DF5 and is worth a try. Z248 may be later proved to be a father or son of DF5.

According to Mike W's L21 spreadsheet, there was 45 DF5* submissions. You should poke around his DF5 signatures
and see where (and if) you fit into one of his DF5 signatures. There is also another ten L658 submissions and
another ten L627 submissions.


Here are some additional test results:
L627- and L658-
Z246+ and Z248+
DF13+ /DF21+
DF25/DF5+S191+ =
R1b1a2a1a1b3a7b1a

I should have included that in my original post.

-Griff

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Joined: Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:00 pm

YDNA:
DF5+/S191+
MtDNA:
U5a1a1
PostPosted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 10:08 pm
There is a problem, Houston ...

Mike's terrific chart of Cluster Modals under Full Tree (R-L21) contains a line for R-DF5, comparing markers between the two.

Here are my markers that are at odds with the DF5 repeats:

Griff..................Allele......DF5
17c....................464c.........16
12......................549..........11
12 and 13 (!).......533..........12
20......................650..........18

So ... how can I be DF5+ if I "miss" on the above?

-Griff
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Joined: Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:38 am

YDNA:
R-L21+, L226+
PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 12:35 pm
Griff wrote:There is a problem, Houston ...

Mike's terrific chart of Cluster Modals under Full Tree (R-L21) contains a line for R-DF5, comparing markers between the two.

Here are my markers that are at odds with the DF5 repeats:

Griff..................Allele......DF5
17c....................464c.........16
12......................549..........11
12 and 13 (!).......533..........12
20......................650..........18

So ... how can I be DF5+ if I "miss" on the above?

-Griff


The older the SNP is, the less easy that all submissions can be safely assigned to signatures. Also, the smaller the scope the older SNP is, the less likely there will be enough submissions to find trends in common mutations. So, it is not unusual that your DF5+ submission does not Mike W's signatures. You can assist Mike by seeing if your off modal mutations are common for DF5+ submissions and alert him to a new signature associated with DF5. You will need to find several submissions that are DF5 + that match some of your off modal marker values. There will always be several outliers that do not justify signatures being assigned. Most of your mutations may be pretty recent in time and should not be included in any signature. How well do you match other marker values in his DF5 signatures ? Comparing just one submission with many recent mutations included is not how signatures work. Having four recent mutations since DF5 creation is to be expected.

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