My husband's results

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Location: Ancestral location: Spain
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U5b2b3a
PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:27 am
Hi there!!

My husband got his mtDNA results back, and he is T2. These are his results:

HVR1 DIFFERENCES FROM rCRS

16126C
16294T
16296T
16304C
16519C

HVR2 DIFFERENCES FROM rCRS

73G
263G
309.1C
315.1C

His maternal line has close ties with Scotland [Midlands] and apparently, Normandy further back on history. Hope this info helps!

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A little info on this haplogroup, of which I know next to nothing!: The mitochondrial haplogroup T is best characterized as a European lineage. With an origin in the Near East greater than 45,000 years ago, the major sub-lineages of haplogroup T entered Europe around the time of the Neolithic 10,000 years ago. Once in Europe, these sub-lineages underwent a dramatic expansion associated with the arrival of agriculture in Europe. Haplogroup T2 is one of the older sub-lineages and may have been present in Europe as early as the Late Upper Palaeolithic.
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Maternal surnames: Gelpí, Lebrón, Ruiz, Vientos, Mendez, Jardines, Marty, Cintra, Crisostomos, Orta, Perez, Torres
Paternal surnames: Ramírez, Jiménez/Gimenes, Rodríguez, López, Pagán, Jacome, Rivera, del Toro, Figueroa, Carlo

Paternal mtDNA: A2k1
gedMatch ID: FN105290

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YDNA:
R1b1a2a1a1b4
MtDNA:
T2a1a
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2012 7:27 am
More specifically, looks like he is T2b. If he hasn't done so already, have him join the T2 project on FTDNA. Then, go to the T2 project page and click on mtDNA Results to see where it puts him.
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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2012 11:30 pm
ErikMaher wrote:More specifically, looks like he is T2b. If he hasn't done so already, have him join the T2 project on FTDNA. Then, go to the T2 project page and click on mtDNA Results to see where it puts him.


Thank you, Erik. I believe he ordered the full mtDNA sequence, and it should be completed by now, so I will check. If so, I will post the results here as well. Based on his genealogy, he is very settled in Scotland [for lack of a better word], with his maternal line leaving Scotland rather recently [late 1800s]. Other than that, I can trace his ancestry to a Symon deHorsbroc [b.1214 d. 1249] in Scotland [although this is more of a paternal line, really, not related to mtDNA; however, if these men married Scottish women, which looks like the norm rather than the exception [based on his family tree], then the maternal lineage could be considered Scottish as well].

In any case let me check his results!
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Maternal surnames: Gelpí, Lebrón, Ruiz, Vientos, Mendez, Jardines, Marty, Cintra, Crisostomos, Orta, Perez, Torres
Paternal surnames: Ramírez, Jiménez/Gimenes, Rodríguez, López, Pagán, Jacome, Rivera, del Toro, Figueroa, Carlo

Paternal mtDNA: A2k1
gedMatch ID: FN105290
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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 12:21 am
I checked, but the test ordered only tested HVR1 and HVR2. I have the fasta file, so I will run it on James Lick mtDNA tool to get a possible prediction.I don't know if there is a FTDNA test to upgrade and test the coding region as well.

HVR1: 16126C, 16294T, 16296T, 16304C, 16519C
HVR2: 73G, 263G, 309.1C, 315.1C
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Maternal surnames: Gelpí, Lebrón, Ruiz, Vientos, Mendez, Jardines, Marty, Cintra, Crisostomos, Orta, Perez, Torres
Paternal surnames: Ramírez, Jiménez/Gimenes, Rodríguez, López, Pagán, Jacome, Rivera, del Toro, Figueroa, Carlo

Paternal mtDNA: A2k1
gedMatch ID: FN105290
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PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2012 12:34 am
I ran his FASTA results on the mtDNA haplogroup tool, and these were the results:

Best mtDNA Haplogroup Matches:

1) T2b

Defining Markers for haplogroup T2b:
HVR2: 73G 263G
CR: 709A 750G 930A 1438G 1888A 2706G 4216C 4769G 4917G 5147A 7028T 8697A 8860G 10463C 11251G 11719A 11812G 13368A 14233G 14766T 14905A 15326G 15452A 15607G 15928A
HVR1: 16126C 16294T 16296T 16304C

Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup T2b (plus extra markers):
H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 2706G 7028T ⇨ HV ⇨ 14766T ⇨ R0 ⇨ 73G 11719A ⇨ R ⇨ 4216C ⇨ R2'JT ⇨ 11251G 15452A 16126C ⇨ JT ⇨ 709A 1888A 4917G 8697A 10463C 13368A 14905A 15607G 15928A 16294T ⇨ T ⇨ 11812G 14233G 16296T ⇨ T2 ⇨ 930A 5147A 16304C ⇨ T2b ⇨ (309.1C) (315.1C) (16519C)

Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
Matches(6): 73G 263G 16126C 16294T 16296T 16304C
Extras(0): (309.1C) (315.1C) (16519C)
Untested(25): 709 750 930 1438 1888 2706 4216 4769 4917 5147 7028 8697 8860 10463 11251 11719 11812 13368 14233 14766 14905 15326 15452 15607 15928


Testing the coding region seems to be defining factor, as other possible matches were: T2b13, T2b3, T2b7, T2b19, T2b8, T2b1, T2b2.... etc. You get the idea. Thanks again, Erik.
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Maternal surnames: Gelpí, Lebrón, Ruiz, Vientos, Mendez, Jardines, Marty, Cintra, Crisostomos, Orta, Perez, Torres
Paternal surnames: Ramírez, Jiménez/Gimenes, Rodríguez, López, Pagán, Jacome, Rivera, del Toro, Figueroa, Carlo

Paternal mtDNA: A2k1
gedMatch ID: FN105290
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:42 am
I am slowly learning. I checked the FTDNA T2 Project, but the full sequence is needed to assign him a sub-clade. The Pike 2010 paper lists a rather long listing of subclades, from T2b all the way to T2b23a [for those interested, this is the link to the article: http://www.jogg.info/62/files/Pike.pdf]

I was hoping for a simple answer, but it is clear to me that the coding region is needed in this case. T2 is not enough to get the info that I am looking for, such as an age estimate, a possible geographical origin [high frequency here or there]. Further, analysis of the coding region may actually relocate him in a different haplogroup [I am referring to the example listed int eh Pike article, of an individual who was initially placed in T2, but upon analysis of the coding region, was placed in D!!]. FTDNA, here I come... again!

For anyone else out there, lost as I am, here is some good info:

T2b --> apparently 13,000 ytp [years to the present]

In 1998, Richards et al. estimated the age of haplogroup T to be at least 46,500 years, the age of the T1 subgroup to be about 9,000 years, and the remainder of T (i.e., all but T1) to be about 32,000 years.

Pike's 2010 paper --> haplogroup T may be on the order of 47,500 years old.
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Maternal surnames: Gelpí, Lebrón, Ruiz, Vientos, Mendez, Jardines, Marty, Cintra, Crisostomos, Orta, Perez, Torres
Paternal surnames: Ramírez, Jiménez/Gimenes, Rodríguez, López, Pagán, Jacome, Rivera, del Toro, Figueroa, Carlo

Paternal mtDNA: A2k1
gedMatch ID: FN105290

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