T2b in Poland


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 19, 2012 12:05 pm
My mominlaw and her son are T2b: 23andme says T2b for her; T2b4 for her son, and James Lick's tool gives T2b7.

Here are their results:
Imperfect Match.
Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:

Matches(26): 263G 709A 750G 930A 1438G 1888A 2706G 4216C 4769G 4917G 5147A 7028T 8697A 10463C 11251G 11719A 11812G 13368A 14233G 14766T 15326G 15452A 15607G 15928A 16126C (16296T)

Extras(6): 152C 9180G 9966A 13768C 16257A 16296T (16519C)

Untested(6): 73 8860 10750 14905 16294 16304

That's quite a few untested and extras. Anyone with insight, let me know. :)
mtDNA: J1c3i
Husband/son: B1778 R-L226 Frawley from Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland
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YDNA:
N1c1-L1022
MtDNA:
T2b7a1
PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:09 pm
Hey, I am T2b7 too.

Maybe me should compare our results using J Lick´s upgraded v14 tool.

For chip v2 I get:

1) T2b7a1

Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
Matches(33): 73G 152C 263G 709A 750G 930A 1438G 1888A 2706G 4216C 4769G 4917G 5147A 7028T 8697A 9180G 9966A 10463C 11251G 11719A 11812G 13368A 13768C 14233G 14766T 14905A 15326G 15452A 15607G 15928A 16126C 16294T 16296T
Flips(1): 16257A
Extras(1): 146C (16519C)
Untested(2): 8860 16304

For chip v3:

1) T2b7a1

Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
Matches(31): 73G 263G 709A 750G 930A 1438G 1888A 2706G 4216C 4769G 4917G 5147A 7028T 8697A 8860G 9180G 9966A 10463C 11251G 11719A 11812G 13368A 13768C 14233G 14766T 15326G 15452A 15607G 15928A 16126C 16296T
Flips(2): 16257T 16304G
Extras(0): (16519C)
Untested(3): 152 14905 16294

My most distant maternal ancestor is from the extreme north of Scandinavia.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 1:43 pm
Using the new v14 tool, she get's T2b7a1 too:

Best mtDNA Haplogroup Matches:

1) T2b7a1

Defining Markers for haplogroup T2b7a1:

Imperfect Match. Your results contained differences with this haplogroup:
Matches(31): 73G 263G 709A 750G 930A 1438G 1888A 2706G 4216C 4769G 4917G 5147A 7028T 8697A 8860G 9180G 9966A 10463C 11251G 11719A 11812G 13368A 13768C 14233G 14766T 15326G 15452A 15607G 15928A 16126C 16296T
Flips(2): 16257T 16304G
Extras(0): (16519C)
Untested(3): 152 14905 16294

Looks like you have the same exact results? I wonder if the Flips and Extras that you share are meaningful, or would they be common to many? I know when I was tracking my extras (J1c3), I never found anyone with the same ones...and it just so happens I'm looking for a distant Scandinavian ancestor for her :D

Linking this thread to another as they are related:
viewtopic.php?f=77&t=260
mtDNA: J1c3i
Husband/son: B1778 R-L226 Frawley from Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2012 6:28 pm
Aha, very interesting.

The only difference between them and me seems do be that I got 146C as a extra mutation.

Concerning the listed extras I believe that the 16257T is a bogus call (the 23andMe chip can´t detect deletions like 16257-) and 16519C are common for all mtDna T, but the 16304G is interesting. If it is a true call it would mean that we share a new subhaplogroup under T2b7a1, but I think it must be confirmed with a normal mtDna HVR1-test.

At least this new T2b7a1 group looks like it has a Northern European distribution.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:35 am
I checked our raw data for 146 as my husband is a v2 (v3's are not genotyped), and he get's a T for 146 (146) i3001869. So it appears there is a known difference.

Oh well...it was close though. I've been posting their results at 23andme and FTDNA for some time and no one has come forward with T2b7 or T2b7a1, so this is an improvement. :)
mtDNA: J1c3i
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 12:29 pm
here my results: T2b7a2
Marker path from rCRS to haplogroup T2b7a2 (plus extra markers):
H2a2a1(rCRS) ⇨ 263G ⇨ H2a2a ⇨ 8860G 15326G ⇨ H2a2 ⇨ 750G ⇨ H2a ⇨ 4769G ⇨ H2 ⇨ 1438G ⇨ H ⇨ 2706G 7028T ⇨ HV ⇨ 14766T ⇨ R0 ⇨ 73G 11719A ⇨ R ⇨ 4216C ⇨ R2'JT ⇨ 11251G 15452A 16126C ⇨ JT ⇨ 709A 1888A 4917G 8697A 10463C 13368A 14905A 15607G 15928A 16294T ⇨ T ⇨ 11812G 14233G 16296T ⇨ T2 ⇨ 930A 5147A 16304C ⇨ T2b ⇨ 9966A ⇨ T2b7 ⇨ 9180G ⇨ T2b7a ⇨ 1836G 16239T ⇨ T2b7a2 ⇨ (16519C)
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:31 pm
T mtdna found to be most prevalent among European Scythians, 16 Don Scythians from a 2500-year-old burial ground near Rostov:
http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showth ... ost1021451
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 1:47 pm
Exciting news about my mother-in-law's T2b7a1. I submitted her results to Ian Logan and it clusters with others from Denmark and Sweden. Now to figure out if this represents an ancient connection or something more recent, dare I say the Deluge?
http://www.ianlogan.co.uk/sequences_by_ ... uences.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_invasion_of_Poland
mtDNA: J1c3i
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Grandpa: 259187 R-L21 DF13+ Griffith from Cardigan, Wales
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PostPosted: Sat May 16, 2015 7:00 pm
Did MTDNA haplogroup T originate in Italy?!!!
Last edited by dartraighe on Tue May 26, 2015 5:14 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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G2a2b2a1b1a2a-CT4803
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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 2:20 pm
dartraighe wrote:Did MTDNA haplogroup T origin ate in Italy?!!!


No probably in the Middle East around the South of Caucase and Caspian Sea, but can be entered in Europe in the end of Paleolithic and last glacial time in the same time as the mt-hg J 12,000 years ago, maybe be also mt-hg K .

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