U5b2b1a1


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Location: Pisa (Italy)
YDNA:
R- Z2110 (KV7Y2)
MtDNA:
K1a1b1e/HQ176413
PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:57 am
Marco Grassi askes me where to put the origin of the mt of our friend Basteri, resulted Y: R-U152-Z71*. He is mt: U5b2b1a1:
A73G C150T A263G 309.1C 315.1C A750G A1438G C1721T T2649C A2706G T3197C A3861G A4769G G5471A C7028T A7768G A8860G G9477A A9864G A11467G A11653G G11719A A12308G G12372A A12634G T13617C A13630G A13637G T14182C C14766T A15326G G15497A C16270T C16292T T16362C G16526A
FTDNA gives the closest matches at 3 GD in the Coding region, very likely the samples from Ian Logan spreadsheet JQ703701 and JQ703905, with the mutation T14374C also EU594543. These samples form a subclade of U5b2b1a1 with the muation A13630G. But Basteri has also the mutation in HVRI: G16526A. With this mutation he finds other close matches on Mitosearch (GY8SY, C3Q4S, CG9FS, KRKWM, Q4MNP), all coming from the Isles. Thus which is the origin of the Basteri's mt? Of course the haplogroup comes from the Italian (or anyway European) Epigravettian, and is also the mt of Villabruna (it seems, but I don't discuss how the haplogroup was assigned), thus I am glad to say that very likely it had the same destiny of Y hg R1b1: from the Italian Refugium Northward, and either it developed in Italy or came back from North more recently.
Epigravettian Italy Grotta Paglicci [PA71 (8A)] 19,250-18,210 cal BP U5b2b C6910T, C16519T, (11N, 4467N, 5213N, 5844N, 7396N, 15050N, 16313N) Posth 2016; Fu 2016
Epigravettian Italy Villabruna, Sovramonte – Belluno, Veneto M 14,180-13,780 cal BP 1,215,433 R1b1 [R1b1a with additional SNPs] P224, M734, P285, P227, P294, P242, P238, P245, M173, P286, P236, M306, L278. [Derived for additional SNPs L754/PF6269/YSC0000022+, A702/Z8137+, CTS4244/PF6257/YSC0001279/V2997+, CTS7585+, C41/M12190/SK2062/V1501/Z8135/Y108+, L1345/PF6266/YSC0000224+, L761/PF6258/YSC0000266+, L774/PF6245/YSC0000277+, PF6263+, PF6271+ which make it R1b1a on current ISOGG tree] U5b2b 16261, 16274 Di Benedetto 2000; Fu 2016; Additional info on Y-SNA SNPs from Sergey Malyshev
Epipaleolithic France Rochedane (Villars-sous-Dampjoux) M 13,090-12,830 cal BP 237,390 I PF3641, CTS4088, CTS7593, CTS8420, CTS10058, PF3800, PF3803, L68 U5b2b A8449G, T16086C, C16519T, (525insAC) Posth 2016Fu 2016
Epipaleolithic France Rochedane (Villars-sous-Dampjoux) M 13,090-12,830 cal BP 237,390 I PF3641, CTS4088, CTS7593, CTS8420, CTS10058, PF3800, PF3803, L68 U5b2b A8449G, T16086C, C16519T, (525insAC) Posth 2016Fu 2016
Epipaleolithic France Aven des Iboussières, Malataverne [IBS-9 (39)] M 12,040-11,410 cal BP 9,659 U5b2b 6027A, 8161T, T8167C, T13356C, C16519T Posth 2016; Fu 2016
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Pitted Ware Sweden Ajvide [Ajv 36] 2800-2000 BC U5b2b1a A16129G T16187C C16189T T16223C G16230A C16270T T16278C C16311T T16362C Malmstrom 2009; Brandt 2013; ; Malmstrom 2015
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RRBP France Gurgy Les Noisats [GLN 270A]
[4900-4500 BC]

U5b2b1a 11467G, 12705C, 13617C 16129A, 16183C, 16189C, 16270T, 16362C Rivollat 2015
Fisher-gatherer Germany Blätterhöhle, Hagen [BLA 11]
3922 ± 60 BC

U5b2b(2)* 73G, 150T, 263G, 750G, 1438G, 2706G, 3197C, 4616T, 4769G, 7028T, 8027A, 8860G, (9477A), 11653G, 11719A, 12308G, (12634G), 14182C, (14766T), 15326G, 16270T 16270T Bollongino 2013
Fisher-gatherer Germany Blätterhöhle [BLA 14*]
3603 ± 49 BC

U5b2b2* 73G, 107A, 150T, 263G, 750G, 1438G, 1721T, 2300A, 2706G, 3197C, 4616T, 4616T, 4769G, 7028T, 7768G, 8027A, 8860G, 9477A, 11467G, 11653G, 11719A, 12308G, 12372A, 12634G, 13617C, 13630G, 13637G, 14182C, 14766T, 15326G, 16270T 16270T Bollongino 2013
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Portugal Paimogo [PM 14638] 3000 BC U5b2* 16192T, 16217C, 16270A, +12308 Afonso 2010
Unetice? Germany Karsdorf [KAR 36]
1945-1882 BC

U5b2b3a1a C16114T A16129G T16187C C16189T T16223C T16224C G16230A C16270T T16278C C16311T Brandt 2013

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