U2: separate Palaeolithic route into E Europe


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:49 pm
John Hoffecker's paper "A new framework for the Upper Palaeolithic of Eastern Europe" was read last September at the conference of the European Society for the study of Human Evolution. The abstract was published then, but he has since put his slides online. The importance of his discoveries is that he proposes a route into Eastern Europe via the Caucasus, separate from the main flow west of the Black Sea.

This links up to the discovery of mtDNA U2 at Kostenki. We can deduce that U2e spread from Eastern Europe.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:49 am
Well, there you go, so we have evidence of at least some genetic continuity in Eastern Europe for 30,000 years, or however old that Kostenki site is.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 9:25 am
Tomatoes wrote:Well, there you go, so we have evidence of at least some genetic continuity in Eastern Europe for 30,000 years, or however old that Kostenki site is.


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:30 am
Thought I would give you a little cheer David. :)

Yep - 30,000 BP for Kostenki 14 [Markina Gora]. It's the earliest human mtDNA that we have so far from Europe.

The earliest U2e so far is from Uznyi Oleni Ostrov, Russia 7500 BP.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 04, 2013 12:54 am
Tomatoes wrote:Well, there you go, so we have evidence of at least some genetic continuity in Eastern Europe for 30,000 years, or however old that Kostenki site is.


Not so much. The Kostenki sample is U2 with 4 extra mutations (at 542, 711, 13269 and 15262) that define an apparently extinct branch of U2. Present day European samples are mostly U2e. So we would need to look at ancient remains that are also U2e to show continuity. Also, I believe the sample is dated at 30,000 to 33,000 ybp based only on stratigraphic evidence.

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