WTY and new SNPs in the A haplogroup

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 3:29 pm
Hi all,

This news has appeared in Finch: the Perry sequence was done on Thursday the 12th, Astrid is scoring it, and they have covered 407186 bases, excellent coverage, though not as high as they've gotten on a few other WTYs.

The big news for the moment, even though it doesn't yet reflect the Perry WTY, is in the new shape of the Ytree. A0 now splits into two groups, which we can call A0a and A0b. A0a now includes two branches, one with Jones and the other with the Bakola who's P114!

On the P114 branch, the ten new SNPs L1070, L1072, L1073, L1075, L1076, L1078, L1079, L1080, L1081, and L1082 now appear.

Meanwhile the seven SNPs L979, L980, L987, L996, L1011, L1015, and L1017, previously discovered in the Jones WTY, are now found to be shared by both of the branches of A0a. The Bakola would be A0a1 and Jones would be A0a2. Jones has the six SNPs L981, L983, L988, L994, L1007, and L1014 defining his branch.

What's in A0b? That's the Dorsey branch! He still has 23 SNPs, L92.2, L1035, L1036, L1037, L1038, L1039, L1040, L1041, L1042, L1043, L1044, L1045, L1046, L1047, L1048, L1049, L1050, L1051, L1052, L1054, L1056, L1057, and L1058, on his branch! He splits off above the seven A0a SNPs.

Above all of these, at the A0* node, shared by both A0a and A0b, are no less than 40 SNPs! This includes L896, formerly thought to define A0b.

The Perry WTY is going to almost certainly break up these 40 SNPs, since we already know that he's negative for two of them, V166 and L896.

Anyone else noticing interesting new developments, please share them!

Bonnie
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:27 am
Have seen moments ago "changes 1 day ago" in the root Y-Branches on ytree.ftdna.com and in an instant have looked here whats going on.

Looks like Rootsy, their A-HG friends and the FTDNA-Team (Thomas Krahn & Co) are doing fine work these days!!!
Congratulations!!!
The root of Y is has some more secrets to discover. Here the actual FTDNA-root-tree as screenshot to memorize this moment:
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 8:25 pm
Alpeu wrote:Have seen moments ago "changes 1 day ago" in the root Y-Branches on ytree.ftdna.com and in an instant have looked here whats going on.

Looks like Rootsy, their A-HG friends and the FTDNA-Team (Thomas Krahn & Co) are doing fine work these days!!!
Congratulations!!!

Tomorrow there will be a change then again?
Stan
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:13 pm
Newest WTY
A0-P114, kit 229033: L1070...L1084
A0, kit 215865: L1085...
A1-M114, kit 229035: L1167...L1172
A1-P28, kit 229037: L1173...L1178.
Congratulations for tested, for Thomas' studio and for Bonnie
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 7:50 am
Strange discussion in RootsWeb and Rodstvo.ru forums,
about the embargo on WTY results in A0 haplogroup


Hi, all
I'm probably a main initiator of the so-called "search for Adam's genes," that is, of SNP mutations which occurred in the earliest lineage of the father of all men living today, i.e., Y-chromosomal Adam.

For these WTY tests I made a dozen or so financial donations. Nearly all are shown, though some are under different names, on the Haplogroup A Project's background page, http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Hap ... fault.aspx.

When he recognized the immense importance of this research project for future WTYs, as well as for scientific knowledge in general, Thomas Krahn rushed to carry out tests beyond what had been ordered.

As the major donor for this research, I received a request on behalf of Thomas for a temporary, short-term embargo in order for his team to be able to double check, analyze, and correctly organize the data obtained, which had turned out to be so unexpectedly important for science. Understanding the need, I easily gave my consent.

Now I am anxiously observing the debate and criticism, especially appearing on the Rootsweb DNA list, of the temporary embargo on the critically important results of the WTY that was carried out.

Therefore I am communicating this explanation, and I ask for understanding of the reasons for which so easily -- of course on my own behalf -- I gave consent to this delay of the public release of the results. I ask for patience, especially so that irresponsible statements do not harm the genetic genealogy community and FTDNA, to which we are handing our DNA.

Greeting, Stan
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PostPosted: Fri May 25, 2012 8:59 pm
Hi all,

Finally, the mtDNA prerequisite has been completed for kit N100469, Mr. Simms. Now we can find out more about his Y-DNA! I expect his haplotype to be very similar to Asare, in the SMGF database. Asare turns up in diagrams as an independent branch which is more or less equidistant between A0a1 and A0a2. I hope we may be able to identify a new branch with the Simms sample, such as A0a3.

So I've ordered an upgrade to 67 markers, and three SNPs to start with, L980, V151, and L994, for A0a, A0a1, and A0a2. I wanted to order something from A0b, but those SNPs aren't yet available for ordering. Maybe Thomas will be able to help us out there.

I applied all the funds left in the General Fund, but it wasn't enough. We are still lacking $113 for these orders to go through.

I hope some generous friends will be eager to see what we learn from this sample.

Another step of progress is that finally, we've had the first STR results from the new Boon sample, 234391. This one will replace N71150, which has no more DNA. Now, the tests that were ordered for N71150 will be changed over to this sample. I'll probably change a couple of the specific SNPs if new information indicates that there are better SNPs.

Glad there's finally some information I can share!

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:54 pm
Mr. Simms' 67 marker results are finally complete. I counted the genetic distance between him and the next most closely related sample, Boon, N71150. They have a GD of 53 on those 67 markers! So these lineages are separated by really significant time depth. So far the only SNP tested that's different between them is V151, which means Simms is A0a1 and Boon is A0a1a. I surely hope we can test more SNPs in this sample in the future.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 1:49 pm
Rootsy wrote:Mr. Simms' 67 marker results are finally complete. I counted the genetic distance between him and the next most closely related sample, Boon, N71150. They have a GD of 53 on those 67 markers! So these lineages are separated by really significant time depth. So far the only SNP tested that's different between them is V151, which means Simms is A0a1 and Boon is A0a1a. I surely hope we can test more SNPs in this sample in the future.
Bonnie

Thank you, Bonnie, for the informations.
I see that for many samples A0 WTY test may be cheaper than the testing of individual SNPs. !!

Meanwhile, you can perform an upgrade 37 to the standard 67 STR for #224786 (and when will the money for #22210).
Greeting,
Stan
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