Formed is tree of the closest family of chromosomal Adam

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:21 am
Atim wrote:
eastara wrote:I was also waiting for some news regarding thd Cameroon A00s.
Just noticed Bonnie will have a presentation about haplogroups A and B at the International Gdnetic Genealogy Conference in August.
Hope somebody will attend and ask more questions:
http://i4gg.org/

Who will write the report?
It was probably the most interesting here:

William E. Howard III, Ph.D. – Using Correlation Techniques on Y-Chromosome Haplotypes to Determine TMRCAs, Date STR Marker Strings, Surname Groups, Haplogroups and SNPs
Dr. Howard’s fascination with family genealogy led to an interest in Y-DNA testing and analysis where he developed a correlation approach to dating haplotypes. Beginning with an analysis of surnames, his interests have evolved into producing dated phylogenetic trees, developing the concept of a time slice matrix, and extending the use of correlation into time periods of interest to geneticists. His talk will cover these areas of interest.
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Thomas Krahn Dipl.-Ing. – I’ve Received My Y Chromosome Sequencing Results – What Now?
During the past year in particular, new technologies have made it economically feasible to sequence large portions of the Y chromosome. This presentation will review the interpretation of Y chromosome sequencing data obtained by using various different technologies. Thomas Krahn will explain the different sequencing methods, as well as their advantages and disadvantages. He will describe how to combine them in an intelligent way to extract the correct and essential information from the overwhelming datasets. Thomas will also explore the implications of recombination events within different regions of the Y chromosome and with other chromosomes such as the X chromosome and demonstrate how this affects the interpretation of Next Generation sequencing data.
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Bonnie Schrack B.A. – Y chromosome Haplogroups A and B
Bonnie Schrack will describe the research she has been doing on both haplogroups A and B and will share the insights she has gleaned from her research.
In 2011, inspired by new findings about the root of the Y-DNA tree, she volunteered to serve as administrator of the Y-haplogroup A project. “Walk Through the Y” sequencing results for three project members revealed two new, very early A0 branches as well as a far earlier branch than any previously known, which was named A00. In March 2013, a paper was published in the American Journal of Human Genetics, in which she was a co-author with Drs. Michael Hammer and Fernando Mendez, making the case that the age of A00 was greater than that of anatomically modern humans. Her current project with Cameroonian researcher Matthew Fomine Forka seeks to collect a larger sampling of A00 in order to measure its diversity, and to have full Y sequences done, to make possible a true ancestral human Y reference sequence.


I suppose I'll have to change little this tree, let alone corrected:

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another issue - why is P1 at 43000 years older than P ? ( blue numbers),,,,,,,,,,,,,,was it suppose to be 33000?

whatever the number, there is still 10000 years plus before creation of R ...............what did P do, stay in sundra or back track?


from F1,2,3 to NO is only about 4000 years....clearly they formed next to each other and moved together in any migrations
Fathers mtdna - T2b17 ...back to 1860 Bucciol line
Grandfathers mtdna - T1a1e ...back to 1820 Mestriner line
Sons Mtdna - K1a4 ....back to 1840 Tesser line
Maternal grandfather ydna - Ild-P109

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:17 pm
stoeni wrote:
1) another issue - why is P1 at 43000 years older than P ? ( blue numbers),,,,,,,,,,,,,,was it suppose to be 33000?
2) whatever the number, there is still 10000 years plus before creation of R ...............what did P do, stay in sundra or back track?
3) from F1,2,3 to NO is only about 4000 years....clearly they formed next to each other and moved together in any migrations

Ad 1) The error corrected. Thank you!
Ad 2) There is no problem. The numbers record only the beginning, the emergence of a haplogroup, not split. Between the emergence of P1 and its split (=the emergence of the R and Q) is 130 SNPs.
Ad 3) There is no problem. Between F1 and NO is only 28 SNPs (49,100 - 44,500 = 4,600).
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 1:05 am
Atim wrote:
stoeni wrote: clearly this is in error because Karafet report states T and L as part of K1 and not in sundra

On the table the word "Sunda" refers only to the K2-M526 and its progeny. All his nearest descendants are found on the Sunda islands.

T and L not as part of K1. K1 is the father of the T-M184 and L-M20.
K1 is identical to the LT-P326 (ISOGG).



looks like ...P326 split off with K2a group at the same time and K2b emerged 5000 years later , most likely in malaysia area
Fathers mtdna - T2b17 ...back to 1860 Bucciol line
Grandfathers mtdna - T1a1e ...back to 1820 Mestriner line
Sons Mtdna - K1a4 ....back to 1840 Tesser line
Maternal grandfather ydna - Ild-P109

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2014 5:48 am
stoeni wrote:
Atim wrote:
stoeni wrote: clearly this is in error because Karafet report states T and L as part of K1 and not in sundra

On the table the word "Sunda" refers only to the K2-M526 and its progeny. All his nearest descendants are found on the Sunda islands.
T and L not as part of K1. K1 is the father of the T-M184 and L-M20.
K1 is identical to the LT-P326 (ISOGG).

looks like ...P326 split off with K2a group at the same time and K2b emerged 5000 years later , most likely in malaysia area

I do not understand the text and the problem ..

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:08 am
! EJHG in press:

F.L. Mendez, K.R. Veermah, M.G. Thomas, T.M. Karafet, M.F. Hammer
Reply to 'The 'extremely ancient' chromosome that isn't by Elhaik et al'.
http://www.u.arizona.edu/~flmendez/

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 10:20 am
Atim wrote:! EJHG in press:

F.L. Mendez, K.R. Veermah, M.G. Thomas, T.M. Karafet, M.F. Hammer
Reply to 'The 'extremely ancient' chromosome that isn't by Elhaik et al'.
http://www.u.arizona.edu/~flmendez/


That link just shows the title of the paper. Do you have a link to the reply itself, or is it still awaiting publication?
Use Profile/Edit Profile in User Control Panel to add your Y-DNA and mtDNA values.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 22, 2014 12:55 pm
GTC wrote:
Atim wrote:! EJHG in press:

F.L. Mendez, K.R. Veermah, M.G. Thomas, T.M. Karafet, M.F. Hammer
Reply to 'The 'extremely ancient' chromosome that isn't by Elhaik et al'.
http://www.u.arizona.edu/~flmendez/

That link just shows the title of the paper. Do you have a link to the reply itself, or is it still awaiting publication?

Jes. The link is still awaiting publication!
I even think that publishing gives for Elhaik can publish simultaneous answers!
Therefore, this earlier announcement.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:04 pm
The table of the haplogroups time little improved:

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2014 5:24 am
This tree haplogroups and their time was improved yesterday,
according to improved the YFull experimantal tree.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:15 pm
F. Mendez provides us the answer to the criticism of his dating of haplogroup A00 by Elhaik et al. 2014.
He defends his rules of dating and their results. It is 338.000 ybp of Y-chromosomal Adam
http://www.u.arizona.edu/~flmendez/
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