Volga Germans

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The Volga Germans (German: Wolgadeutsche or Russlanddeutsche, Russian: Povolzhskie nemtsy) were ethnic Germans living along the River Volga in the region of southern European Russia around Saratov and to the south. Recruited as immigrants to Russia in the 18th century, they were allowed to maintain German culture, language, traditions and churches. In the 19th and early 20th centuries, many Volga Germans emigrated to the Midwestern United States, Canada, Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay, Uruguay and other countries.

After the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941 during World War II, the Soviet government considered the Volga Germans potential collaborators and transported them wholesale to labour camps, where many died. After the war, it expelled some ethnic Germans to the West. In the late 1980s, many of the remaining ethnic Germans moved from the Soviet Union to Germany.


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Some stat:

Y-DNA Deep Clade (After 2008) 9
Y-DNA Deep Clade (Prior to 2008) 2
Y-DNA Subgroups 7
Y-DNA111 1
Y-DNA12 28
Y-DNA25 20
Y-DNA37 20
Y-DNA67 15


Haplogroups frequency:

I1 - 9
R1b - 8
R1a - 5
G2 - 1
E1b1b1 - 1 (Black Sea German)
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:04 pm
I'm mentioning this source because it is a little obscure and might not be seen by genetic genealogists in the normal course of events. The musical instrument called a Hackbrett in German has to a considerable degree been revived in America under the name "hammered dulcimer." The most comprehensive work on the history of that instrument is by my friend Paul M. Gifford, The Hammered Dulcimer: A History (Lanham, MD: Scarecrow Press, 2001). The section of his book that deals with the Hackbrett form includes several pages about the Volga Germans, who maintained some earlier customs and instrumentation with this instrument (particularly in playing for weddings) because in Russia they were isolated from the original community, where those customs were modified or died out. The older customs were also maintained, after many Volga Germans had migrated from Russia to America, in places like Nebraska. In the Gifford book, see especially pp. 79-84.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 15, 2012 3:56 pm
razyn, thank you for the information. I think you should contact Néstor Suárez. He's a Volga German descendant and if I'm not mistaken he plays some folk musical instruments.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:45 am
I made a blog entry about my aunts likely German ancestry which seem to also be reflected in a few eastern matches that are tied to Volga Germans among others:

http://scandinaviangeneticshq.blogspot. ... roots.html

I have at least one confirmed Volga German among her genetic cousins..
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 9:44 pm
Any idea if any of these Volga Germans migrated to the USA?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 7:20 pm
leonardo wrote:Any idea if any of these Volga Germans migrated to the USA?


Yes, both US and Canada, but also other countries, some of my colonial matches are of part Volga German ancestry...
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 9:41 pm
Would they have been likely to mix with non-Germans within the Volga region, such as the Slavs, Jews or peoples of the Caucasus?

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 12:39 am
leonardo wrote:Would they have been likely to mix with non-Germans within the Volga region, such as the Slavs, Jews or peoples of the Caucasus?


atDNA SNP results say "yes!" We have identified some Slavs, Russians which have a Volga German branch and appear to share some small DNA segments with selected Low German Mennonites. This was the first evidence that there was some intermarriage between the ethnic Volga German communities and the Low German Mennonite communities. Some of these lineages could share deeper Prussian roots.

I would be interested in adding additional Volga German atDNA results from FamilyFinder or 23andMe to my Amish/Mennonite project. :D
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 12:48 am
Very interesting. I would have thought the Mennonites would have stayed exclusively among themselves, given ethnic, cultural and religious differences..

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