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PostPosted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:39 pm
Show the first page of your SMGF matches and comment the structure:

I have matches in Brazil, Portuguese navigation in the Indian Ocean and Northern Iranians from the Caspian Sea !
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Ricardo SMGF.jpg
Y DNA - Barcelos - Minho - Portugal. Colonial Brazil
MtDNA - Ilha Terceira, Azores, Portugal
Brazilian Portuguese Founding People
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/m365/
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Brasil/
http://j1bm365.blogspot.com.br/
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 11:44 am
The J1b modal connecting the Iberian and Iranian haplotypes in a single page:
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J1b modal SMGF.jpg
Y DNA - Barcelos - Minho - Portugal. Colonial Brazil
MtDNA - Ilha Terceira, Azores, Portugal
Brazilian Portuguese Founding People
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/m365/
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Brasil/
http://j1bm365.blogspot.com.br/
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 12:51 pm
Well, a McIntosh should be closer than a Hungarian, but that's about all I get from it!

SMGF_ Y-Chromosome Search Results_Page_1.jpg
Y DNA lineage ancestor: Isaac Farris (b. 1787 in Virginia, USA)
mtDNA lineage ancestress: Ruth Stovall (b. 1731 in Virginia, USA)
Oldest known of any line: Ralfe Hurte (b. ca. 1410, Ashbourne, Derbyshire, England)

Known Surnames of 3rd gr.-grands:
Farris, Ramey, Montgomery, Summers, Tupman, Reynolds, Griffin, Atkinson, Powell, Witt, Dunaway, Woolery, White, Nickerson, Griest, Humbert, Mullin, Peacock, Heeter, Peters, Kern, Law, Meade, Conley, Estep, Lemaster, May, Caudill, Cooper, Salyer
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 4:20 pm
Thanks, I want to observe the other SMGF results to try to understand the structure of matches. You have 172 matches, starting from 30/37, 29/37, 28/37. The gap between 31/37 and 37/37 is showing that you don't have any close haplotype in the SMGF but you belong to a big cluster of 176 matches ? As a R1b would you expect more close neighbors (31/37-36/37) in the range of the last 1000 years ? Do you think Farris is a Scottish surname ?
Y DNA - Barcelos - Minho - Portugal. Colonial Brazil
MtDNA - Ilha Terceira, Azores, Portugal
Brazilian Portuguese Founding People
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/m365/
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Brasil/
http://j1bm365.blogspot.com.br/
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:11 am
RCO wrote:Thanks, I want to observe the other SMGF results to try to understand the structure of matches. You have 172 matches, starting from 30/37, 29/37, 28/37. The gap between 31/37 and 37/37 is showing that you don't have any close haplotype in the SMGF but you belong to a big cluster of 176 matches ? As a R1b would you expect more close neighbors (31/37-36/37) in the range of the last 1000 years ? Do you think Farris is a Scottish surname ?


As R1b (L21+) I don't expect matches at the 37 marker level to have much meaning at all--the markers chosen for comparison are of utmost importance. My Farris line is very likely of Scottish descent given the region of highest frequency (so far) of my furthest downstream SNP (L720). There is, bizarrely, an off-modal marker for L21 that may indicate that McIntosh may have the same "terminal" SNP, but mostly these STR comparisons at such a low number of markers cannot be construed as meaningful for R1b, I think. McIntosh and I could be related in the early Medieval period, but probably no more recently, and there are matches at higher numbers of markers other places which would be far more distant (with R1b, SNP testing almost seems a necessity).
Y DNA lineage ancestor: Isaac Farris (b. 1787 in Virginia, USA)
mtDNA lineage ancestress: Ruth Stovall (b. 1731 in Virginia, USA)
Oldest known of any line: Ralfe Hurte (b. ca. 1410, Ashbourne, Derbyshire, England)

Known Surnames of 3rd gr.-grands:
Farris, Ramey, Montgomery, Summers, Tupman, Reynolds, Griffin, Atkinson, Powell, Witt, Dunaway, Woolery, White, Nickerson, Griest, Humbert, Mullin, Peacock, Heeter, Peters, Kern, Law, Meade, Conley, Estep, Lemaster, May, Caudill, Cooper, Salyer
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:13 pm
Hi RCO,

here are my matches...
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SMFG_Matches.jpg
My SMGF-Matches
Paternal: J1-L858 (Z643+ P58+ L858+ L620+ L572+ L147.1+ L817+ Z644- Z642- Z641- Z640- M369- M368- M367- L93- L92- L897- L859- L829- L65.2- L616- L615- L585- L222.2- L174- L1279- L1253- YSC0000076-)
FTDNA Kit: E13058, Full Genomes Kit: FG1014
Maternal: HV1a'b'c
Father's Maternal: T1*
Mother's Paternal: R1b-Z142 (Z49+ Z142+ L2+ Z367- M228.2- L562- L553- L552- L21- L20- L196- L193-)
FTDNA Kit: E14371
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:08 am
Thanks Marcantonio. Very interesting. You have 18.2 at DYS458 because we J1 people always have the .2 at this marker, so you can get one more matching marker.
Y DNA - Barcelos - Minho - Portugal. Colonial Brazil
MtDNA - Ilha Terceira, Azores, Portugal
Brazilian Portuguese Founding People
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/m365/
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Brasil/
http://j1bm365.blogspot.com.br/
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:41 am
RCO wrote:Thanks Marcantonio. Very interesting. You have 18.2 at DYS458 because we J1 people always have the .2 at this marker, so you can get one more matching marker.


The Zebary match from Iraq could be interesting: Zebary is a Kurd from the Mosul area.

If you take into consideration the point you made (DYS458) and the fact that DYS459 have not been tested in this sample but obviously is 8-9 in a surname match of him (see diagram: result 2) he could most likely be a 31/36 match!

Is the TMRCA for such a match within the last 1000 years or 2000 years?
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Zebary-Kutschak SMGF Matches.jpg
Paternal: J1-L858 (Z643+ P58+ L858+ L620+ L572+ L147.1+ L817+ Z644- Z642- Z641- Z640- M369- M368- M367- L93- L92- L897- L859- L829- L65.2- L616- L615- L585- L222.2- L174- L1279- L1253- YSC0000076-)
FTDNA Kit: E13058, Full Genomes Kit: FG1014
Maternal: HV1a'b'c
Father's Maternal: T1*
Mother's Paternal: R1b-Z142 (Z49+ Z142+ L2+ Z367- M228.2- L562- L553- L552- L21- L20- L196- L193-)
FTDNA Kit: E14371
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:17 pm
Yes, I think the Zebary is a relevant match with a MRCA in the last 1000-2000 years. And there's a good variation in that Zebary group. Al-Madi is also close.
Y DNA - Barcelos - Minho - Portugal. Colonial Brazil
MtDNA - Ilha Terceira, Azores, Portugal
Brazilian Portuguese Founding People
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/m365/
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Brasil/
http://j1bm365.blogspot.com.br/
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:31 pm
Marco,

Hey, that's nice, good for you! My family has only anonymous matches from Iraq.

I would say only the first two Al-Zebary matches are meaningful in your case. The others look like they belong to a completely different cluster or haplogroup. Note that they don't have either 8-9 at DYS459, or 22-22 at YCAII, for example.

I'll try to post some of my dad's (rather distant) matches, but they tend to be scattered around on different pages, not all on the first page. Maybe I need to change my search criteria.

Bonnie
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