Jassic people of Hungary

Possible time of origin: Less than 18,500 YBP
Possible place of origin: Eurasia, most probably South Asia, or Central Eurasia.
Defining mutations: M420 (also includes M17, M198, SRY1532.2 and SRY10831.2)
Highest frequencies: Scandinavia, Central Europe, Eastern Europe, Central Asia, South Asia and Siberia. (See List of R1a frequency by population)

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:36 pm
Is there any genetic information on them particularly the R1a subclades they carry (if they carry)? I still can't figure out if they are Ossetians living in Europe or a population that once spoke something similar to Ossetians with no history in the Caucasus (basically if they are Proto-Ossetians)?

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YDNA:
R1a1a1b2a1
MtDNA:
H15a1
PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:09 am
newtoboard wrote:Is there any genetic information on them particularly the R1a subclades they carry (if they carry)? I still can't figure out if they are Ossetians living in Europe or a population that once spoke something similar to Ossetians with no history in the Caucasus (basically if they are Proto-Ossetians)?




Check out the Jászság project:
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Jas ... ction=ysnp
161093 Mihály Jász, 1672, Jászapáti R1a1 R-SRY10831.2 Z280+


Closest matches of 161093 are:

N49064 Christopher Galovic, b 1772, Matiasovce, Spis, Slo Slovakia
57872 Johann Frederich Rauch; 1807; Rudolstadt, Germany Germany
177386 Andrzej Pietrzak, 1836-1900 Poland
214137 Debreczeny Mihály (ca.1600-1680) Hungary
145439 Michael Hoffman,b.1812,Wischin Hauland, Prussia Germany
E6498 Franz Brunner 1922- Wolfsberg Carinthia Austria
169059 Maciej Pietrzak, 1766-1816 Poland

They are all Z280+, CT1211+, CTS3402-, P278- (Old_Carpathian cluster subcluster B1 and 2).

For the other R1a1a individuals of the project it is hard to tell, they only have STR12 values.
250300 Dorók, Jászság, Hungary has the same STR12 as M6619 from Saudi-Arabia but this does not mean anything because 250300 turned out to be Z93-.
The same STR12 values were also found in 230707 Philippe Renouf b 2/8/1730 Jersey United Kingdom.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:52 pm
Palisto wrote:
newtoboard wrote:Is there any genetic information on them particularly the R1a subclades they carry (if they carry)? I still can't figure out if they are Ossetians living in Europe or a population that once spoke something similar to Ossetians with no history in the Caucasus (basically if they are Proto-Ossetians)?




Check out the Jászság project:
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Jas ... ction=ysnp
161093 Mihály Jász, 1672, Jászapáti R1a1 R-SRY10831.2 Z280+


Closest matches of 161093 are:

N49064 Christopher Galovic, b 1772, Matiasovce, Spis, Slo Slovakia
57872 Johann Frederich Rauch; 1807; Rudolstadt, Germany Germany
177386 Andrzej Pietrzak, 1836-1900 Poland
214137 Debreczeny Mihály (ca.1600-1680) Hungary
145439 Michael Hoffman,b.1812,Wischin Hauland, Prussia Germany
E6498 Franz Brunner 1922- Wolfsberg Carinthia Austria
169059 Maciej Pietrzak, 1766-1816 Poland

They are all Z280+, CT1211+, CTS3402-, P278- (Old_Carpathian cluster subcluster B1 and 2).

For the other R1a1a individuals of the project it is hard to tell, they only have STR12 values.
250300 Dorók, Jászság, Hungary has the same STR12 as M6619 from Saudi-Arabia but this does not mean anything because 250300 turned out to be Z93-.
The same STR12 values were also found in 230707 Philippe Renouf b 2/8/1730 Jersey United Kingdom.


Good stuff. It confuses me on their origins even more. Plenty of I2 and R1b makes them look like European but J1, J2 and G is present as well. Could they be Ossetians mixed with Europeans. I don't think their Iranian speaking ancestors carried I2a or R1b-U152. But too much R1a as well for them to be partly Ossetian in origins don't you think? I know Z283+ exists in West Asia but Z280 is likely a Central European introduction to their gene pool no? So probably not much Caucasus ancestry? Any autosomal studies?

The frequencies come down to

E1b-7.14%
G-7.14%
I2a-25%
I2b-3.57%
J1-3.57%
J2-3.57%
Q-3.57%
R1a-35.71%
R1b-10.71%

Small sample though.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 09, 2013 11:35 pm
What do you think about their origins Palisto?

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YDNA:
R1a1a1b2a1
MtDNA:
H15a1
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 6:07 am
newtoboard wrote:What do you think about their origins Palisto?


I think Jassic people are as Iranian as Gagauz people are Turkish.

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YDNA:
R1a-L657(Y2392)
MtDNA:
U2b2
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:48 pm
Palisto wrote:
newtoboard wrote:What do you think about their origins Palisto?


I think Jassic people are as Iranian as Gagauz people are Turkish.


Re your Y - "R1a1a1h1a"
What is your terminal SNP?

Thanks.

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YDNA:
R1a1a1b2a1
MtDNA:
H15a1
PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2013 5:06 pm
parasar wrote:
Palisto wrote:
newtoboard wrote:What do you think about their origins Palisto?


I think Jassic people are as Iranian as Gagauz people are Turkish.


Re your Y - "R1a1a1h1a"
What is your terminal SNP?

Thanks.


The nomenclature changed in the last years, I have to update it. I am Z93+, L342+, L657-, Z2122-, which makes me R1a1a1b2a1 for now.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 18, 2013 5:13 pm
Palisto wrote:
newtoboard wrote:What do you think about their origins Palisto?


I think Jassic people are as Iranian as Gagauz people are Turkish.



So what do you think their history is then? How did they end up being mostly R1a-Z93-/I2/R1b?

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