V20 defines new subhaplogroup of C


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 4:18 pm
A few weeks ago, Dienekes commented on a newly published paper which defined a new subhaplogroup of C based on several SNPs, including V20:

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2012/11/de ... osome.html

Several men in the yDNA C Project have been found V20+ :

N66830 of Spain
218881 of Poland
164416 of Scotland

http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Cha ... ction=ysnp

I invite those of European ancestry classified by FTDNA as C* to order the V20 SNP test.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:04 pm
171250 is V20+,but P53+,and M217-.P53 seems not a suitable snp for tree

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:14 pm
dawnland wrote:P53 seems not a suitable snp for tree

Yes. P53 is apparently useless. Just within the so-called Genghis Khan cluster (which is less than 1000 years old), N23982 is P53- but 127588 is P53+ .

P53 is very near the equally wacky P37 and P41:

http://ymap.ftdna.com/cgi-bin/gb2/gbrow ... ..13001657

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:20 am
I'd suggest to test C6 guys for PK2 too.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:08 pm
It looks like that C3 first split from the rest of the C (with a caveat of uncertainty about the C2/C4). F3393 is shared by C*(Reehal) and C6 (Irot).

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 5:06 am
dawnland wrote:171250 is V20+,but P53+,and M217-.


I remember many years ago some people's 23andme results:M130+ M216+ P53+,but P44- M217-,now it seems they probable belong to C6.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 06, 2013 5:11 am
fjnj wrote:F3393 is shared by C*(Reehal) and C6 (Irot).

Reehal is tested M356+ now.geno 2.0 not test M356 and P92.

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fjnj wrote:It looks like that C3 first split from the rest of the C (with a caveat of uncertainty about the C2/C4). F3393 is shared by C*(Reehal) and C6 (Irot).

C1 sample also F3393+ and CTS11043+,C5 is CTS11043-,C1 relatively close to C6

C* F3393+, F1370+
C5 F3393+, F1370+, CTS11043-
C6 F3393+, F1370- , CTS11043+, CTS11798+, F993+, P53+, V20+, V222+
C1 F3393+ CTS11043+
C3 F3393-

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:02 pm
dawnland wrote:
fjnj wrote:It looks like that C3 first split from the rest of the C (with a caveat of uncertainty about the C2/C4). F3393 is shared by C*(Reehal) and C6 (Irot).

C1 sample also F3393+ and CTS11043+,C5 is CTS11043-,C1 relatively close to C6

C* F3393+, F1370+
C5 F3393+, F1370+, CTS11043-
C6 F3393+, F1370- , CTS11043+, CTS11798+, F993+, P53+, V20+, V222+
C1 F3393+ CTS11043+
C3 F3393-


Great. So F3393 is really a marker for the earliest split within the C (again with the caveat regarding C2/C4). And C3 seems to be the northern branch, with descendents spreading from siberia to americas.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2013 6:15 pm
dawnland wrote:
fjnj wrote:It looks like that C3 first split from the rest of the C (with a caveat of uncertainty about the C2/C4). F3393 is shared by C*(Reehal) and C6 (Irot).

C1 sample also F3393+ and CTS11043+,C5 is CTS11043-,C1 relatively close to C6

C* F3393+, F1370+
C5 F3393+, F1370+, CTS11043-
C6 F3393+, F1370- , CTS11043+, CTS11798+, F993+, P53+, V20+, V222+
C1 F3393+ CTS11043+
C3 F3393-

That's interesting. So, possibly, C6 hunter-gatherers could bring Asian-like pottery into Europe.
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