Z156*


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Location: Pisa (Italy)
YDNA:
R- Z2110 (KV7Y2)
MtDNA:
K1a1b1e/HQ176413
PostPosted: Wed May 30, 2018 9:11 pm
R-L389L389/PF6531 * L388/PF6468formed 17100 ybp, TMRCA 15600 ybpinfo
R-L389*
R-V1636BY21443 * BY15338 * BY15359+67 SNPsformed 15600 ybp, TMRCA 6700 ybpinfo
R-V1636*
id:HG00640PRI
R-Y106006Y84903 * Y95374 * Y83069+9 SNPsformed 6700 ybp, TMRCA 4900 ybpinfo
R-Y106006*
id:YF10512BGR [BG-01]
R-Y135345Y135345formed 4900 ybp, TMRCA 4700 ybpinfo
id:ERS2478530new
id:YF12189TUR [TR-47]

This is the last data acquired from YFull. The oldest sample (separated 6700 ya) is HG00640 from Puerto Rico, of iberian descent, and linked with the Italian samples (the Jewish cluster is linked with Tuscan (Monticiano, Siena, Tuscany) Mangino/Mancini), samples from the British Isles etc, anyway Western Europe.
The "Caucasian cluster" with YCAII=23-23 from Western European cluster with YCAII=18-23 separated 4900 years ago and came from west, what I am writing from more than ten years.
Yes, they lost, all the Jewish mafia with all its universities of Harvard, Stanford, Dublin, Caesarea etc. They lost, they lost, from here to eternity.

Posts: 2279
Joined: Fri Mar 16, 2012 5:43 pm

MtDNA:
U5b2b
PostPosted: Thu May 31, 2018 8:30 am
Gioiello wrote:R-L389L389/PF6531 * L388/PF6468formed 17100 ybp, TMRCA 15600 ybpinfo
R-L389*
R-V1636BY21443 * BY15338 * BY15359+67 SNPsformed 15600 ybp, TMRCA 6700 ybpinfo
R-V1636*
id:HG00640PRI
R-Y106006Y84903 * Y95374 * Y83069+9 SNPsformed 6700 ybp, TMRCA 4900 ybpinfo
R-Y106006*
id:YF10512BGR [BG-01]
R-Y135345Y135345formed 4900 ybp, TMRCA 4700 ybpinfo
id:ERS2478530new
id:YF12189TUR [TR-47]

This is the last data acquired from YFull. The oldest sample (separated 6700 ya) is HG00640 from Puerto Rico, of iberian descent, and linked with the Italian samples (the Jewish cluster is linked with Tuscan (Monticiano, Siena, Tuscany) Mangino/Mancini), samples from the British Isles etc, anyway Western Europe.
The "Caucasian cluster" with YCAII=23-23 from Western European cluster with YCAII=18-23 separated 4900 years ago and came from west, what I am writing from more than ten years.



Gioiello
Some airheads writing on other forums cannot understand that the L51 down to P312/U106/S1200 was only one small family. Even if that one family came from Samara, that family could not change the autosomal dna of western Europe by 50% nor change the language of the first farmers. We see that already with the Basques.

If that small L51 family had their sons P312/U106/S1200 in Samara we would see the evidence in the modern dna right across the Steppe from Samara because we are told often enough how prolific breeders they were. The airheads want us to believe that P312/U106 and S1200 only became prolific breeders when they reached France.

How can war be the cause of a bottleneck? No war ever lasted for 7,000 years ( M269 bottleneck). The M222 bottleneck was not the result of a 2,000 year war in Ireland.

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases ... 052918.php

If the scientists want to learn about bottlenecks why don't they study the small isolated tribes in the Amazon etc.?!!

Also
The Z2103 Ukrainian ancient dna sample had no Yamnaya _Samara autosomal dna and that is understandable. There are a lot of miles between the Ukraine and Samara. If Mr Eurogenes suggests that Yamnaya Ukraine and Yamnaya_Samara are one and the same then we know that he is making it up.

The British Bell Beakers do not have the same autosomal dna profile as the Iberian Bell Beakers and that is what we would expect to see.

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Joined: Fri Mar 16, 2012 5:43 pm

MtDNA:
U5b2b
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:28 pm
https://www.academia.edu/35405459/Archa ... P._Bogucki

"The connection between the Yamnaya migration that flowed from the
steppes into the Danube valley beginning about 3000–2800 BCE and the
Corded Ware culture north of the Carpathians was archaeologically ob-
scured by the rapid evolution among the Corded Ware people of a new
material culture. Corded Ware material culture emerged out of an experi-
ence of cultural opposition between the immigrant pastoralists and the in-
digenous Globular Amphorae culture, tempered by centuries of continuing
co-residence in the same landscape (Machnik 1999; Czebreszuk and Szmyt
2011). The migrants retained cultural preconceptions (the importance of
individual distinction and warfare), economic patterns (mobile pastoral-
ism), and genetic traits typical of the steppe Yamnaya culture as they moved
into southern Poland, but they adopted new material types and variant ver-
sions of their ancestral funeral rituals, creating a set of customs that were
neither simple copies of local ideas nor simple imports of Yamnaya behav-
iors. Instead they created a new hybrid material culture. Analysis of aDNA
shows that they included both steppe men and steppe women and that few
marriages occurred with the local inhabitants for many centuries.
After de-
cades of archaeological debate and analysis by very good archaeologists,
archaeological evidence alone was not sufficient to reveal the scale and de-
mographic nature of this migration."

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MtDNA:
U5b2b
PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2018 1:52 pm
Gioiello
Here is an interesting link. This is proof that some Iberians moved to Hungary along with their Bell Beaker pots.
http://bellbeakerblogger.blogspot.com/2 ... -runs.html

Beaker_Hungary_no_steppe:I2741

Iberia_Southwest_CA 48.44%
Czech_MN 28.91%
Baden_LCA 6.25%
Tisza_LN 4.69%
Wales_N 3.91%
Globular_Amphora 3.12%
Koros_HG:I4971 3.12%
Ukraine_Eneolithic:I4110 1.56%
Distance 1.875%

Alberto's blog
https://adnaera.com/

Another good blog.

http://snplogic.blogspot.com/2018/

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Joined: Fri Mar 16, 2012 5:43 pm

MtDNA:
U5b2b
PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2018 12:09 pm
U106 has not been found in any ancient dna sample to date in the Steppe and yet some posters at anthrogenica cannot accept this fact. My Z156 group which is the oldest branch of U106 has not been found in the Steppe either. And the same posters pointed to absence of R1b in the western Europe Neolithic as proof that R1b was a BA event from outside of western Europe.

They have a problem with Iberia and they write about it every day. It will not change until P312 and U106 is found in any part of the Steppe. It does not matter if R1b in ancient or modern western Europe had 98% Steppe autosomal dna the male R1b line could still have originated in western Europe. The scientists have not found or shown the proof yet.
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