Grahams and Jordans could be L1252 and L1253

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:43 am
There’s great news for Grahams and Jordans and their relatives in the J1c3d group.

One of their number (N42042, adopted, so does not know how he relates) has just been WTY-tested positive for two new SNPs: L1252 and L1253. If we are lucky, these SNPs could prove to be markers for this cluster of J1 testers, presently characterised by DYS388=15, and YCAII=22-22.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:38 am
I'm so glad new SNPs were found in this sample, and that the Grahams may at last have a SNP! :)

I'm using the singular, "a SNP," for a specific reason. I checked the 1K Genomes Project samples, and all of the J1 samples that had results, were positive for L1252, so it looks like a universal J1 SNP, or nearly so.

L1253, on the other hand, looks like a good one, so let the testing begin! That is, as soon as it becomes available for ordering. We can start planning who to test.

More soon!

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:06 pm
DNAgenie wrote:There’s great news for Grahams and Jordans and their relatives in the J1c3d group.

One of their number (N42042, adopted, so does not know how he relates) has just been WTY-tested positive for two new SNPs: L1252 and L1253. If we are lucky, these SNPs could prove to be markers for this cluster of J1 testers, presently characterised by DYS388=15, and YCAII=22-22.


HelloDNAgenie...Yes... I am adopted and thought I would clear up how this new SNP is related to the Grahams:At this time I have 17- 67 Marker matches of various steps with Grahams and two with J1c3d Jordans. I have one 104 marker match with a Graham. Family finder has just shown a 2nd cousin match with a person whose father is a Graham...We are working on that relationship. Being adopted makes everything more difficult it seems but I think there is little doubt my father's people were Grahams.
Y J1c3d P58+ L147.1+ L222- 174- Z644- Z640- Z644- +L1252 +L1253 L1279- Z1884+ CTS5857-
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Archebald Graham, father of David b. Dec. 23, 1647 in Edinburgh, Scotland
Oldest Mt: My mother's grandmother on her Mother's side: Sonicooie b +- 1743 CNE [Cherokee Nation East]was father to Soniovie [Susannah] Sonicooie
My mother's grandmother on her father's side was 1/2 Creek Indian from Alabama

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:40 pm
Gato wrote:
DNAgenie wrote:There’s great news for Grahams and Jordans and their relatives in the J1c3d group.

At this time I have 17- 67 Marker matches of various steps with Grahams and two with J1c3d Jordans. I have one 104 marker match with a Graham. Family finder has just shown a 2nd cousin match with a person whose father is a Graham...We are working on that relationship. Being adopted makes everything more difficult it seems but I think there is little doubt my father's people were Grahams.


Congratulations! It looks like you are zeroing in on it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:44 pm
Rootsy wrote:I'm so glad new SNPs were found in this sample, and that the Grahams may at last have a SNP! :)

I'm using the singular, "a SNP," for a specific reason. I checked the 1K Genomes Project samples, and all of the J1 samples that had results, were positive for L1252, so it looks like a universal J1 SNP, or nearly so.

L1253, on the other hand, looks like a good one, so let the testing begin! That is, as soon as it becomes available for ordering. We can start planning who to test.

More soon!

Bonnie


Thanks, Bonnie. I'm also curious to see if Scharf (125649) and Ricci (E13058) will test positive on L1253. I know they are not DYS388=15, but testing them might test the limits of L1253.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 6:40 pm
DNAgenie wrote:There’s great news for Grahams and Jordans and their relatives in the J1c3d group.

One of their number (N42042, adopted, so does not know how he relates) has just been WTY-tested positive for two new SNPs: L1252 and L1253. If we are lucky, these SNPs could prove to be markers for this cluster of J1 testers, presently characterised by DYS388=15, and YCAII=22-22.


It looks like DYS455 = 10 is perhaps more important than the other two markers in defining your subgroup, or it's the motif of 388 & 455.

Depending on what SNP results others get between now and August, I'll plan to test L1253.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:48 pm
L1252 and L1253 are now available for testing through the FTDNA advanced test order page!!!
yDNA: J1-YSC76 (L147.1+ L858+ YSC76+ L222.2- Z644-); Giovanni Raciti, b. 1490, Aci Sant'Antonio, Sicily. Guglielmo Raciti b. 1180, Longi, Sicily.

Raciti Surname Project - Help us to discover more about the origins of this surname and cluster by donating a sum to the project here General Fund

Raciti Family - an Internet Site dedicated to the History and Origins of the Raciti Surname
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:11 pm
Great news, Rob1! Now everyone can start getting in touch with whoever they think should test L1253, and ask them to order it! Let's see those orders rolling in! :)

If there are people who really can't afford it, and they're crucial to test for L1253, let me know, so we can look into funding their test.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:30 pm
Well I just ordered L1253 for start, so count me in!!! :D
yDNA: J1-YSC76 (L147.1+ L858+ YSC76+ L222.2- Z644-); Giovanni Raciti, b. 1490, Aci Sant'Antonio, Sicily. Guglielmo Raciti b. 1180, Longi, Sicily.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 12:10 am
Awesome! :D Hope lots of others will follow your example.

Could anyone post this on an Arabic-language DNA forum?

Bonnie
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