New member of haplogroup T


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:31 pm
Hello,

I just recieved the Y-DNA results from my maternal oncle, and it appears that he is of haplogroup T.
So I'd appreciate if you could tell me more about this haplogroup. I'd also like to communicate with other members of this haplogroup.

Sincerely,

Itaï.
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Location: Family Line Veneto ( italy ) since ~1600
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 8:55 pm
Itai wrote:Hello,

I just recieved the Y-DNA results from my maternal oncle, and it appears that he is of haplogroup T.
So I'd appreciate if you could tell me more about this haplogroup. I'd also like to communicate with other members of this haplogroup.

Sincerely,

Itaï.



When I first found out I was T , I used the ypredictor above , which told me I was L131+ . I then confirmed this with a SNP L131 test, which stated I was positive ........ and later I did a SNP for a L446 which I am positive for.

Basically see what the ypredictor says and do a SNP test on what it indicates. There are 2 main branches for T , a northern/central European which is L131 and a southern European/middle east which is L162 one. Of course there will also be mixtures in the areas.

Gareth Henson of T project is very good to communicate to for information. email him .
Fathers mtdna - T2b17 ...back to 1860 Bucciol line
Grandfathers mtdna - T1a1e ...back to 1820 Mestriner line
Sons Mtdna - K1a4 ....back to 1840 Tesser line
Maternal grandfather ydna - Ild-P109
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 9:27 am
stoeni wrote:When I first found out I was T , I used the ypredictor above , which told me I was L131+ . I then confirmed this with a SNP L131 test, which stated I was positive ........ and later I did a SNP for a L446 which I am positive for.


I just received my results for a relative. Like you he is SNP-tested L131+ L446+ . Still waiting for SNP L447 result.......
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 9:57 am
kaiono wrote:
stoeni wrote:When I first found out I was T , I used the ypredictor above , which told me I was L131+ . I then confirmed this with a SNP L131 test, which stated I was positive ........ and later I did a SNP for a L446 which I am positive for.


I just received my results for a relative. Like you he is SNP-tested L131+ L446+ . Still waiting for SNP L447 result.......



hi
I doubt he will get a positive result because it ( L447) was placed as a private and I was told it was removed from the L446 line.

Added L1364, L1365 to Investigation, moved L447 from Investigation to Private on 11 January 2013.

from ISOGG 2013 T haplogroup


Where is your relative from?, my family is from the alps area of central europe
Fathers mtdna - T2b17 ...back to 1860 Bucciol line
Grandfathers mtdna - T1a1e ...back to 1820 Mestriner line
Sons Mtdna - K1a4 ....back to 1840 Tesser line
Maternal grandfather ydna - Ild-P109
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:35 am
His most remote known Y-DNA ancestor was Italian, probably born in Firenze about 1500 - 1510.
I am also a descendant (but but not by paternal Y-DNA - line).

It seems to me that L1364 and L1365 may be connected to P77 and not to L446 ? Have you ordered L1364 and L1365 tests ?

Regards, Kai
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 7:01 pm
kaiono wrote:His most remote known Y-DNA ancestor was Italian, probably born in Firenze about 1500 - 1510.
I am also a descendant (but but not by paternal Y-DNA - line).

It seems to me that L1364 and L1365 may be connected to P77 and not to L446 ? Have you ordered L1364 and L1365 tests ?

Regards, Kai



there is no point in doing L1364 and L1365 tests as they belong to the L162 branch and not the L131 branch.
I am afraid the L446 is the end of tests for me until a new line branches out from it.

Tell your relative to stop testing until you see a branch come out from L446 in the ISOGG page

The Russians have a lot of L131 markers that they found from Siberia through to Iceland...they might find something ( I cannot read russian ). They even propose the make T haplogroup a central asian instead of a west asian marker ( basically Kazakhstan area )
Fathers mtdna - T2b17 ...back to 1860 Bucciol line
Grandfathers mtdna - T1a1e ...back to 1820 Mestriner line
Sons Mtdna - K1a4 ....back to 1840 Tesser line
Maternal grandfather ydna - Ild-P109

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 8:16 pm
Thank you for your answers. Given my haplotype and my matches, I think I could directly test P317...
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 6:46 pm
The STR of DYS390=22 in the T-ydna project shows

39 are of European ancestry and only 2 of Middle-East ancestry

A unique STR

what is the mutation timing of DYS390 ?
Fathers mtdna - T2b17 ...back to 1860 Bucciol line
Grandfathers mtdna - T1a1e ...back to 1820 Mestriner line
Sons Mtdna - K1a4 ....back to 1840 Tesser line
Maternal grandfather ydna - Ild-P109

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 08, 2016 7:57 pm
stoeni wrote:The STR of DYS390=22 in the T-ydna project shows

39 are of European ancestry and only 2 of Middle-East ancestry

A unique STR

what is the mutation timing of DYS390 ?


As to Ballantyne DYS390 has a MR of 1.52 X 10/-3, i.e. it is slower than the average: 2 mutations out of 1758 cases father/son. I'd say a mutation every 879 generations, but only on average.
As to my experience it isn't so slow.

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