seldom terminal clades in J2a (position investigation)

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YDNA:
J-L556
MtDNA:
H5c2
PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2013 8:46 pm
ChrisR wrote:M419 (former J2a11, FTDNA J2a4f, ISOGG J2a1f): South Iran, Ireland; not reccurent according to semargl and 1kGtree.A-C (GregM et al unpublished)
kit N52859 Weddell (Harvey) (Y-DNA12 + Deep Clade: L24- M67- etc. = old J2a4*) from Ireland DNA project.
near to haplotype
Mabilia Campania (SMGF, semargl SMGF-03)
Iranians (semargl SMGF-04 and SMGF-24)

Matches from FTDNA (Y37):
251176 Anniello from Italy/J2-M172 projects
186284 from the J2-Middle East project

PF5169? L198? M419?
251176 possibly got his result after FTDNA has begun to report micro-alleles.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:33 am
Thanks JaG. I may contact them to offer a SNP test funding. Update:

M419 (former J2a11, FTDNA J2a4f, ISOGG J2a1f): South Iran, Ireland; not reccurent according to semargl and 1kGtree.A-C (GregM et al unpublished)
kit N52859 Weddell (Harvey) (Y-DNA12, Old Deep Clade: M172+, M410+, M419+, M102-, M12-, M137-, M319-, M322-, M47-, M67-, P81- = old J2a4*) from Ireland DNA project.
Near to haplotype:
Mabilia Campania (semargl SMGF-03)
Iranians (semargl SMGF-04 and SMGF-24)
251176 Anniello Benevento Italy (Y-DNA37, J2-M172 project)
186284 الشمري (Shammari) (Y-DNA37, M172+, J2 Middle East project)
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 12:17 pm
A haplogroup below L24 with unknown new SNP results:

M158 (former J2a5, FTDNA J2a4h1, ISOGG J2a1h1): Central Asia, India, Iraq and Pakistan; not reccurent according to semargl and 1kGtree.A-C (GregM et al unpublished)
Near to haplotype/s:
Malaysia @ SMGF with only 17 Markers, see semargl HT, selection of interesting matches difficult.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2013 6:04 pm
Resummarize

M419 (former J2a11, FTDNA J2a4f, ISOGG J2a1f): South Iran, Ireland; not reccurent according to semargl and 1kGtree.A-C (GregM et al unpublished)
L25 was probably not tested by Cinnioglu et al. (2004), while M67 should be. L25 haplotypes experts may know.
Rootsi: "I wonder if M419 is really reliable. It's a deletion involving a poly-A string."
kit N52859 Weddell (Harvey) (Y12, Old Deep Clade: M172+, M410+, M419+, M102-, M12-, M137-, M319-, M322-, M47-, M67-, P81- = old J2a4*) from Ireland DNA project.
Near to haplotype:
Mabilia Campania (Y43, semargl SMGF-03)
Iranians (Y43, semargl SMGF-04 and SMGF-24)
251176 Anniello Benevento Italy (Y37, J2-M172 project)
186284 الشمري (Shammari) (Y37, M172+, J2 Middle East project)
271420 Lieb Germany (Y37, J-Project and Leap) was reported by Rootsi as unusual haplotype possibly matching to N52859. He is also similar to N104541 Jafari (PF5169+? L198+) and M6882 Al-Hashimi (Z6055+? M68+)

P81 (former J2a12, FTDNA J2a4g, ISOGG J2a1g): Ukraine; not reccurent according to semargl and 1kGtree.A-C (GregM et al unpublished)
Kit 130992 adapted, 1944, Ukraine (67 Markers, old J2a4*) is in J and Polish Project.
near to haplotype
251196 Abdulfettah Turkey (Y67 J2 project, semargl).
259014 Georgia (Y37, Georgia Project, semargl)
166329 Armenia Y67 is also not far away but J2a4* (old FTDNA deep clade, P81-) and also a Cluster *B candidate (possibly PF5172+)

M339 (former J2a9, FTDNA J2a4e, ISOGG J2a1e): Eastern Anatolia; not reccurent according to semargl and 1kGtree.A-C (GregM et al unpublished)
near to haplotype
Zisa in J2a-Z2227,PF5119*C (semargl SMGF-05 / HXZPA) could be interesting: I expect unknown haplotype and clade structure below this paragroup.
Nosari J2a-L25 (semargl SMGF-06 / 8AFK6) maybe is also interesting? I think L25 was not tested by

M158 (former J2a5, FTDNA J2a4h1, ISOGG J2a1h1): Central Asia, India, Iraq, Libya and Pakistan; not reccurent according to semargl and 1kGtree.A-C (GregM et al unpublished)
Near to haplotype/s:
Malaysia @ SMGF with only 17 Markers, see semargl HT, selection of interesting matches difficult.
Last edited by ChrisR on Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:55 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 10:12 pm
ChrisR wrote:P81 (former J2a12, FTDNA J2a4g, ISOGG J2a1g): Ukraine; not reccurent according to semargl and 1kGtree.A-C (GregM et al unpublished)
Kit 130992 adapted, 1944, Ukraine (67 Markers, old J2a4*) is in J and Polish Project.
near to haplotype
251196 Abdulfettah Turkey (Y67 J2 project, semargl).
259014 Georgia (Y37, Georgia Project, semargl)
166329 Armenia Y67 is also not far away but J2a4* (old FTDNA deep clade, P81-) and also a Cluster *B candidate (possibly PF5172+)

After regrouping in J-Project (only major J2a subclades) I now think kit 130992 best fits to the J2a1a2-Z6055 group (incl. M68 and the Montgomery-Cluster)
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:50 pm
Resummarize:
This thread here was opened by me to maybe discover the position of J2a Haplogroups L26+ not tested for anyone of the following new SNPs downstream of J2a-L26 (FTDNA still lists it as J2a4):
Z6055 (shared with M68),
PF5087/CTS1230 (shared between PF5160/Z2221 and PF5116),
PF5160/Z2221, PF5197/Z2397, YSC0000253, PF5172, PF5169, PF5174,
PF5116, Z2227,PF5119, L558/PF7408, Z6065

M419 (former J2a11, FTDNA J2a4f, ISOGG J2a1f): South Iran, Ireland; not reccurent according to semargl and 1kGtree.A-C (GregM et al unpublished)
L25 was probably not tested by Cinnioglu et al. (2004), while M67 should be. L25 haplotypes experts may know.
Rootsi: "I wonder if M419 is really reliable. It's a deletion involving a poly-A string."
kit N52859 Weddell (Harvey) (Y12, Old Deep Clade: M172+, M410+, M419+, M102-, M12-, M137-, M319-, M322-, M47-, M67-, P81- = old J2a4*) from Ireland DNA project.
Near to haplotype:
251176 Anniello Benevento South Italy (Y37, J2-M172 project)
Mabilia Campania South Italy (Y43, semargl SMGF-03)
271420 Lieb Germany (Y37, J-Project and Leap) was reported by Rootsi as unusual haplotype possibly matching to N52859. He is also similar to N104541 Jafari (PF5169+? L198+) and M6882 Al-Hashimi (Z6055+? M68+)
540 Benevento Boattini et al 2013 Italy Table S2 STR-19 J2a-M410 (xM67,M92)
Iranians (Y43, semargl SMGF-04 and SMGF-24)
186284 الشمري (Shammari) (Y37, M172+, J2 Middle East project)
180375 Burks Unknown Origin J2
117414 Burks Unknown Origin J2
189128 Erberto Calzaretta b circa 1730 Italy J2 (surname common in Salerno, Campania, South Italy)
154962 Frady Margertt Deitz/Dietz Unknown Origin J2a4i
83514 Dietz johan b1728 d 1810 J2a4
194141 Stirnimann Canton Lucerne Switzerland J2
9856▷Schrag Ulrich b~1740 Windstein,Alsace Switzerland J2a4i
153545 Ahsai-Al Ahsai عبدالمنعم بن علي بن علي بن غانم الجبيلي Saudi Arabia J2a4i
N104541 Jafari Seyed Unknown Origin J2a4i

P81 (former J2a12, FTDNA J2a4g, ISOGG J2a1g): Ukraine; not reccurent according to semargl and 1kGtree.A-C (GregM et al unpublished)
Kit 130992 adapted, 1944, Ukraine (67 Markers, old J2a4*) is in J and Polish Project. According to regrouping in J-Project (only major J2a subclades) kit 130992 best fits to the J2a1a2-Z6055 group (incl. M68 and the Montgomery-Cluster)
near to haplotype
251196 Abdulfettah Turkey (Y67 J2 project, semargl).
259014 Georgia (Y37, Georgia Project, semargl)
166329 Armenia Y67 is also not far away but J2a4* (old FTDNA deep clade, P81-) and also a Cluster *B candidate (possibly PF5172+)

M339 (former J2a9, FTDNA J2a4e, ISOGG J2a1e): Eastern Anatolia; not reccurent according to semargl and 1kGtree.A-C (GregM et al unpublished)
near to haplotype
Zisa in J2a-Z2227,PF5119*C (semargl SMGF-05 / HXZPA) could be interesting: I expect unknown haplotype and clade structure below this paragroup.
Nosari J2a-L25 (semargl SMGF-06 / 8AFK6) maybe is also interesting? I think L25 was not tested by

M158 (former J2a5, FTDNA J2a4h1, ISOGG J2a1h1): Central Asia, India, Iraq, Libya and Pakistan; not reccurent according to semargl and 1kGtree.A-C (GregM et al unpublished)
Near to haplotype/s:
Malaysia @ SMGF with only 17 Markers, see semargl HT, selection of interesting matches difficult.
Last edited by ChrisR on Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:54 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2014 1:32 pm
271420 Lieb Germany is M419+
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 13, 2014 12:43 am
FT-130992 Ukraine is J2a PF4610>L26>PF5087>PF5116>Z2227>Z6065>P81
He shares one SNP with the single M47 public Y-sequence (1kG HG02490 PJL-Punjabi): 18727829 (C->T);
So I think it is a close call for a own haplogroup, if there is one it has split again shortly after Z6055.
http://tree.j2-m172.info/?Hg=J2a1a1b1b
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:42 pm
FT-N124374 (Geno 2.0 only) is J2a PF4610>L26>PF5087>PF5116>Z2227>?>M339
His origin, Y37 haplotype (markers) and L558 and Z6065 would be interesting.
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