I2b1 In South-Central Asia


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:03 pm
newtoboard wrote:
Palisto wrote:
newtoboard wrote:Who else has I2b1?

Armenian I is I2b1c isn't it?

http://www.clanstrachan.org/freespace/I_info.htm

It seems as if I2b is a Germanic thing.


Founder effect, genetic drift and low resolution of data due to low N.
Example:
Rootsi et al., 2004 stated 12.5% I2b1-M223 (Previously, I2b1-M223 was called I1c.) for Germany, but he just tested a total of 16 Germans, 2 out of 16=12.5%. Based on this number he drew this notorious map. I talked about M223 here:
http://kurdishdna.blogspot.com/2012/04/ ... -come.html
BTW, I don't take percentages for N<100 seriously.

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Check out the root of I1c (aka I2b1-M223). It is yellow (=Middle Eastern).
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We don't have a representative sample set of world populations. There are almost no data about M223 in Asia and only a few in Europe. Commercially available DNA tests are heavily dominated by people with European ancestry. For example, the number of "Relative Finder" and "Ancestry Finder" matches of an individual at 23andme clearly correlates with the average income of his ethnic group.


SO where would you put the location of the origin of this I2b1 in Asia? It still has to be EUrope.

But couldn't it have spread from the Balkans via Proto Armenians to modern Armenians to Kurds and other populations who have it?

Is there any evidence that haplogroup I and subclades originated in the Balkans?Is there any evidence that haplogroup I originated in Europe?
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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2013 3:03 am
newtoboard wrote:Who else has I2b1?

Armenian I is I2b1c isn't it?

http://www.clanstrachan.org/freespace/I_info.htm

It seems as if I2b is a Germanic thing.


I just got back my father in laws results today from 23andMe and he is I2b1, however his lineage is Scottish/Irish and like you said and confirmed by 23andMe, it's Germanic.

"Today the I2b1 branch of I2 is common in the Netherlands and Germany. Like I1, which is most common in Denmark and Sweden, it was probably found among the men who inhabited Doggerland. The presence of I2b1 in Sweden, particularly the northern province of Vasterbotten, is likely due to the more recent arrival of German and Dutch immigrants during the 17th century."

So it could have moved from Europe and flowed into Asia, however when did this happen is lost to us.

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I2b1c
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H
PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2013 4:56 pm
Hi

I am an I2b1C from Central Ireland how we came to be there is a bit of a mystery the Normans or perhaps even the Vikings.
I2b1c (I2a2a2a) Ireland
Looking for Butler connections
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