Etruscan mtDna

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 8:53 am
another paper on Etruscan MtDna

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/articl ... ne.0119242

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 9:57 am
stoeni wrote:another paper on Etruscan MtDna

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/articl ... ne.0119242


I thank you, Stoeni, for having put the link to this paper here, seen that Anthrogenica doesn't permit me anymore access to its pages: we know that Englishmen and all their Levantine immigrants are master of Democracy. I have written a lot about all these papers written from Iberian scholars and lastly also from Armenian ones and about their sponsors and why, and wandered why Iberians haven't anything more interesting in their peninsula rather than in mine. This are the official sponsors:

Funding: This project received funding from the Spanish Ministerio de Ciencia e Innovación (SAF2011-26983) and from the Plan Galego IDT, Xunta de Galicia (EM 2012/045) (A.S.) and Consellería de Sanidade/Xunta de Galicia (RHI07/2-Intensificación Actividad Investigadora and 10PXIB918184PR), Instituto Carlos III (Intensificación de la Actividad Investigadora) and Fondo de Investigación Sanitaria (FIS; PI070069 and PI1000540) of the Plan Nacional de I+D+I and ‘fondos FEDER’ (F.M.T.). The funders had no role in study design, data collection and analysis, decision to publish, or preparation of the manuscript.

I'll write something more on the paper. It seems to me that it is another flaw if they found 8% of probable Middle Eastern mt in to-day Tuscans, and linked with Iran rather than Asia Minor. What a pity that they weren't linked with Lebanon!
Gracias a Dios (whom I don't believe in) that my K1a1b1e hasn't come from there and very likely is born here as I have always said.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 5:27 pm
Maybe Albertp Piazza was correct in his summary of Etruscans, his 1200 samples is still the major one for etruscan tests.

..Here we show the genetic relationships of modern Etrurians, who mostly settled in Tuscany, with other Italian, Near Eastern and Aegean peoples by comparing the Y-chromosome DNA variation in 1,264 unrelated healthy males from: Tuscany-Italy (n=263), North Italy (n=306), South Balkans (n=359), Lemnos island (n=60), Sicily and Sardinia (n=276). The Tuscany samples were collected in Volterra (n=116), Murlo (n=86) and Casentino Valley (n=61). We found traces of recent Near Eastern gene flow still present in Tuscany, especially in the archaeologically important village of Murlo. The samples from Tuscany show eastern haplogroups E3b1-M78, G2*- P15, J2a1b*-M67 and K2-M70 with frequencies very similar to those observed in Turkey and surrounding areas, but significantly different from those of neighbouring Italian regions. The microsatellite haplotypes associated to these haplogroups allow inference of ancestor lineages for Etruria and Near East whose time to the most recent common ancestors is relatively recent (about 3,500 years BP) and supports a possible non autochthonous post-Neolithic signal associated with the Etruscans.

Clearly the R1b in tuscany is either original to tuscany or a ligurian migration

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:18 pm
I am tired in breaking all these papers. I have just written this on Worldfamilies in answering a friend from the Balkans. I think this is the only truth that is coming out from the YFull tree:

Because J2b2 doesn't come from the Balkans but from nearby the Caucasus

J-M241 Z2390/CTS4412 * Z605 * M241... 41 SNPs formed 13400 ybp, TMRCA 9100 ybp

and expanded eastward

J-Z2432Z8266 * Z8270 * Z2444... 26 SNPsformed 9100 ybp, TMRCA 7100 ybp
J-Z2432*
id:HG04210 STU

and westward

J-L283Z2512/CTS5382 * Z612 * Y1279/Z8411... 60 SNPsformed 9100 ybp, TMRCA 8900 ybp

from 13400 years ago and there is no trace of that origin now.
There are subclades in Tuscany probably from those times:
J-Z2453 CTS8204 * CTS11996 * CTS12080... 16 SNPs
id:NA20588 TSI

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:12 am
Gioiello wrote:I am tired in breaking all these papers. I have just written this on Worldfamilies in answering a friend from the Balkans. I think this is the only truth that is coming out from the YFull tree:

Because J2b2 doesn't come from the Balkans but from nearby the Caucasus

J-M241 Z2390/CTS4412 * Z605 * M241... 41 SNPs formed 13400 ybp, TMRCA 9100 ybp

and expanded eastward

J-Z2432Z8266 * Z8270 * Z2444... 26 SNPsformed 9100 ybp, TMRCA 7100 ybp
J-Z2432*
id:HG04210 STU

and westward

J-L283Z2512/CTS5382 * Z612 * Y1279/Z8411... 60 SNPsformed 9100 ybp, TMRCA 8900 ybp

from 13400 years ago and there is no trace of that origin now.
There are subclades in Tuscany probably from those times:
J-Z2453 CTS8204 * CTS11996 * CTS12080... 16 SNPs
id:NA20588 TSI



http://forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.ie/

"Once in Western Europe, two L11 sublineages experienced parallel expansions:

U106 probably expanded from the Netherlands or Frisia (or maybe Doggerland in a Paleolithic scenario). Detailed research awaits however.
S116 surely expanded from somewhere in what is now France (possibly towards the Atlantic, judging on where S116* is most common), with three main subclades, each one following its own pattern of expansion:
M529 towards the Northwest (Brittany, Britain, Ireland...)
U152 towards the East (most notable in Switzerland and Italy, but also important in France, Germany and Britain, with offshoots of plausible Celtic transport in the Balcans and even Anatolia).
DF27 mostly to the South, peaking among Basques but also important in much of Iberia. It remains to be discerned how important it is in other European regions."

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