Gioiello wrote:

dartraighe wrote:Which of these has the oldest haplotype, KT5TU 67,8G44S 67,PWN78 67 and 94BBE 76? There is an Armenian/Turkey cluster at ysearch also. Was this Z2103 cluster the result of an expansion from Italy> Turkey> Armenia?

These persons are all SNP tested:
N37658 Angelo Romitti, 1840, Suzzara, Lombardy, Italy Italy R-Y5586
12 24 14 11 11-14 12 12 12 13 13 30 16 9-10 11 11 25 15 19 30 14-15-16-18 11 12 19-23 15 16 19 18 36-37 12 12 11 9 15-16 8 10 10 8 10 10 12 23-23 16 10 12 12 15 8 12 21 20 13 12 11 13 11 11 12 12
13660 Henry Hollingsworth (born 1598) County Armagh, Ire Ireland R-BY3297
12 24 14 11 11-14 12 12 12 14 13 30 16 9-10 11 11 25 15 19 30 15-16-16-18 11 11 19-23 15 16 20 18 36-38 12 12 11 9 15-16 8 10 10 8 10 11 12 22-23 17 10 12 12 15 8 12 21 20 14 12 11 13 11 11 12 13 35 15 9 16 11 28 26 19 12 11 13 12 10 9 12 12 10 12 11 30 12 13 24 14 10 10 20 15 21 12 24 17 12 15 24 12 23 18 10 14 16 9 11 11
B3248 Panchero , b. 1335 Val di Sole, Trentino Italy R-BY3297
12 24 14 11 11-14 12 12 13 14 12 30 16 9-10 11 11 25 15 19 31 14-15-16-18 11 11 19-23 15 16 20 17 37-38 12 12 11 9 15-16 8 10 10 8 10 11 12 22-23 16 10 12 12 15 8 12 21 20 13 12 11 13 11 11 12 12 33 15 9 16 12 28 26 19 12 11 13 12 10 9 12 12 10 12 11 30 12 13 24 14 10 10 19 15 21 13 24 18 12 15 24 12 23 18 10 14 17 9 11 11
Only the person submitted with the surname "Celestino" (which is an Italian surname) isn't.
The first series (15-10-12-12-14) from 16-10-12-12-15 is interesting.

About your question I think that we need more aDNA for answering that. Armenia and Caucasus have some haplotypes from Samara R-L23 and no older haplotypes has been found so far in the aDNA, but let's wait for other tests.

Gioiello wrote:

dartraighe wrote:I looked at the Yfull tree and Z2110(6,100 ybp) is the paternal ancestor of all of these testers. I don't think that we need aDNA tests. We can see a lot from the location of modern branches, especially their locations and TMRCAs.[/quo

Yes but I am cautious, because I am linked with a French Basque and a person from the Isles (Winterowd/Barnum). We have 17 SNPs in common and after I have other 72 private SNPs as to YFull (but I have more), but the French Basque comes from HGDP and Winterowd (who didn't answer my letters) is tested from the worst Big Y, so I am not sure that we may have more SNPs in common for calculating when we separated.
Beyond us there is Nochev from Bulgaria, separated from us at the Z2110* level. Certainly having linked a Sardinian sample from Francalacci, tested at low coverage, but with a SNP in common with the CTS699 subclade (found in a Spaniard from South America and in Jewish samples) brings Italy at the centre of this haplogroup, but I am waiting that others samples come out. Russia has an haplotype, one only and recent haplotype. We'll know where it came from.
Certainly R-Z2110* isn't present in Samara, and I think having demonstrated that Samara lacks also the great part of Z2109*...I have written a lot about that, but I am cautious and wait for aDNA (when all these PhD-s will decide to publish them).

Gioiello wrote:If you did mean this sample from Apulia, Italy, I put on Ysearch from SMGF
VP8Q2 Picciritto Rignano Garganico, Foggia, Italy
12 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 13 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 24 15 19 30 14 15 15 18 11 12 19 23 15 13 12 12 11 13 23 10 14 12 12 15 30 24

silesian wrote:I was wondering if perhaps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C5%82ad ... w_Sikorski was a branch of R1b?
SW2UT

Gioiello wrote:

silesian wrote:I was wondering if perhaps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C5%82ad ... w_Sikorski was a branch of R1b?
SW2UT

This haplotype could be very well an R-L23, but we cannot understand from only these values which subclade. H4 very likely should be lowered for 1, i.e. H4=12.

dartraighe wrote:What kind of test produced SW2UT's markers?

His closest is 4T4H4 37 with a Scottish surname and the closest to 4T4H4 30/37 is RUT3W 67 with a Welsh surname and RUT3W's exact match is P312* .

There was a large migration from Scotland to Poland 200-300 ybp.