Who's your (proto) daddy Western Europeans?

General discussions regarding DNA and its uses in genealogy research

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:26 pm
dartraighe wrote:It is amazing the amount of DF27 branches that have a TMRCA of 4,500 in western Europe and especially Iberia. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence would not suggest that DF27 originated in the Steppe. Where are all the modern Steppe DF27 branches?!!!

Most of DF27 branches originated in Iberia and the modern dna is the proof. A small number of DF27 testers who do not like Iberia as the origin place but they will just have to get over it. The vast majority of DF27 testers accept the reality and embrace it.




https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-DF27/



DF27 showed up in Iberian origin Bell Beaker I0806 from Quedlinburg, Germany, 2431-2150 BC (midpoint 2,290 BC). This is the earliest DF27 in the whole of Europe. Germany is not in the Steppe and DF27 was not found in the Steppe !!

Some airheads insist that L51 was born in the Steppe due to the fact that the brother Z2103 was born in the Steppe. The scientists do not state that Z2103 was born in the Steppe. The earliest Z2103 was found in Iran not in the Steppe.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 05, 2018 3:06 pm
dartraighe wrote:Some airheads sinsist that L51 was born in the Steppe due to the fact that the brother Z2103 was born in the Steppe. The scientists do not state that Z2103 was born in the Steppe. The earliest Z2103 was found in Iran not in the Steppe.


Ahahahahah, it seems that also mt H32 has been found in Iran, but of course it came from Italy, where all the upstream subclades are. Let's wait that Dritte Reich publishes his aDNA from Italy, but why only from 6000 to 5000 years ago? And the Balzi Rossi and Arene Candide from 12000 years ago (see Les Iboussiéres) to 6000 ya?

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2018 7:54 am
"Dr. Aleksandr Khokhlov says that R1b-P312 has been found in Late Khvalynsk skeletons from Ekaterinovsky Cape. "

Where are all the modern descendants of this P312 who was found in Khvalynsk culture in Samara?!!! If Mr P312 was born in Samara then Mr P312 had 1,500 years to create a lot of descendants in the Samara region and we do not see that in the modern dna. P312 is a western European R1b phenomena not an eastern European one. There is no P312 YSNP trail from Samara to France.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 2:28 pm
R-L51 Y410 • E207 PF6535 PF6414 CTS10373 • PF6537 • FGC39 L51 • M412 • S167 • PF6536
R-L151 PF6416 PF6538 CTS7650 • PF6544 • S1164 • FGC44 Y101 • FGC796 • Z8159 PF5856 YSC0001249 • CTS10353 • S1175 L11 • S127 • PF6539 L151 • PF6542 L52 • PF6541 • A19949 P311 • S128 • PF6545 YSC0000191 • PF6543 • S1159 P310 • S129 • PF6546

All of these YSNPs are the common ancestors of both P312 and U106. They have not been found in Iberia to date and neither have they been found in any ancient dna samples from the Steppe. These YSNPs represent only one single line of descent from 6,000 years until 4,800 years according to Yfull.


The earliest descendant of P312 was the U152 sample found in present day Germany, not in the Steppe. This ancient dna sample did not show in any calculator as 60% EHG and 40% CHG.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:22 am
https://twitter.com/CharlestonCWKC/stat ... 7886810112



"LC: Irish Neolithics draw highest haplotypic donations from Early Neolithic Iberians also. In late Neolithic, also uneven Yamnaya ancestry across British Isle (less Steppe gene-flow in Ireland, also local divergence)."

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:36 pm
There is not one L21 tester who thinks that L21 originated in the Steppe. Where then is the massive wave of R1b from the Steppe? P312 was only one man. L21, DF27 ,U152 and 50 other branches of P312 were not born in the Steppe and neither were they born in Hungary. So how did all the R1b males in western Europe acquire all this "Steppe" dna? Was it from just one P312 male? The autosomal dna can be wiped out in 150 years or six generations we were informed by one expert.


There is one Iberian basal branch of L21 now at Yfull.
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-L21/
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