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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 4:31 pm
Obcy wrote:@ Gioiello
Myślę ze to jest Pana zwycięstwo:
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/articl ... 641#sec013


I thank you. I was at work about that from its publishing:

A friend in this list posted a few minutes ago this post of Richard Rocca on Anthrogenica.You know that I Cannot read that blog, but those data are just in S1 supllement of the Di Cristofaro paper on Corsicans:

postato da Richard Rocca su AG oggi:
A very interesting result from Di Cristofaro et al (2018) which was
published today.
Prehistoric migrations through the Mediterranean basin shaped Corsican
Y-chromosome diversity
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...0200641#sec013
Two datasets from Tuscany show samples that are L23(xL51,xZ2105):
Tuscany - Pisa
44.2% (50 of 113 samples)
Tuscany - Siena
4.6% (4 of 86 samples)
Since neither L51 nor Z2105 are alone on their respective branches, it
could be that they represent an early split of either. The other
option is a third brother branch below L23.
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Of course that would be the demonstration of all what I am saying from more than ten years (and Dritte Reich's aDNA should demonstrate that), but I am willing to see the data, because many times these researchers failed their tests. Anyway the unique R-L23 (xZ2105 xL51) has been found in Iberia (as I wrote a lot in the past)and Iberians derived from Italy in my theory.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 6:00 pm
Gioiello wrote:
Obcy wrote:@ Gioiello
Myślę ze to jest Pana zwycięstwo:
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/articl ... 641#sec013


I thank you. I was at work about that from its publishing:

A friend in this list posted a few minutes ago this post of Richard Rocca on Anthrogenica.You know that I Cannot read that blog, but those data are just in S1 supllement of the Di Cristofaro paper on Corsicans:

postato da Richard Rocca su AG oggi:
A very interesting result from Di Cristofaro et al (2018) which was
published today.
Prehistoric migrations through the Mediterranean basin shaped Corsican
Y-chromosome diversity
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/art...0200641#sec013
Two datasets from Tuscany show samples that are L23(xL51,xZ2105):
Tuscany - Pisa
44.2% (50 of 113 samples)
Tuscany - Siena
4.6% (4 of 86 samples)
Since neither L51 nor Z2105 are alone on their respective branches, it
could be that they represent an early split of either. The other
option is a third brother branch below L23.
------------------------------------------------------------
Of course that would be the demonstration of all what I am saying from more than ten years (and Dritte Reich's aDNA should demonstrate that), but I am willing to see the data, because many times these researchers failed their tests. Anyway the unique R-L23 (xZ2105 xL51) has been found in Iberia (as I wrote a lot in the past)and Iberians derived from Italy in my theory.


From page 4 of Olalde et al's The Beaker Phenomenon and the Genomic Transformation of Northwest Europe:

"Whereas Y-chromosome haplogroup R1b was completely absent in Neolithic individuals (n = 33), it represents more than 90% of the Y chromosomes in individuals from Copper and Bronze Age Britain (n = 52) (Fig. 3)."


According to Yfull's TMRCA for P312 it is understandable that P312 was absent in Neolithic Britain, due to the fact that P312 was a "Bronze Age" expansion haplogroup. P312 was not found in any part of the Steppe in any Neolithic graves either.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2018 8:03 pm
Czyste pierwotne Z2105 w Włoszech !!!

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 4:34 am
Obcy wrote:Czyste pierwotne Z2105 w Włoszech !!!


With all the doubts about this test, it seems that Pisan samples came from Volterra, thus a town thought conservative and meaningful of Etruscan ancestry. Of course that Siena has only 4,6% of R-L23* against Pisa/Volterra with 44,2% and Arezzo 0%, is in favour of a founder effect, and all the doubts remain about the origin of Etruscans, if autochthonous or agricultutalists from the Aegean Sea to central Europe and after to Italy.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 5:49 am
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